What to do with Barrie?

[ToneDog]

Is that first from us? Because if so that seems quite terrible. We don't have this year's, didn't pick in the first last year and give up Dermott for a struggling 25 year old Dumba.

No the first is from the 3rd team. Heard Winnipeg might be interested in a top 4 dman (rental or not). Dermott + (UFA) Barrie for Dumba seems fair from Leafs pov. Minny fans probably disagree.

 

[Jojalu]

Barrie did not face any tough matchups in the playoffs last year with Colorado. He was not top pairing. Coach protected Barrie knowing he is poor defensively.

Agreed. Barrie wasn't brought in to face tough matchups. That is Muzzin's job. He is here to create mismatches against weaker lines and to drive play. Which he is doing, and what he did against Calgary in the playoffs last year

 

[Kazparov]

My preference would be to package him and a winger for some longer term solid RD.

Someone might look at him as a key piece on the PP needed to push them over the edge. Add a value winger like AJ you may be able to get a decent return

 

[Big Muddy]

My preference would be to package him and a winger for some longer term solid RD.

Someone might look at him as a key piece on the PP needed to push them over the edge. Add a value winger like AJ you may be able to get a decent return

Barrie would be a rental though, so that will impact his value. If "decent return" implied a good RD with term, I'm not sure your suggested proposal gets into the better part of the available RD segment. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[KuleminFan41]

My preference would be to package him and a winger for some longer term solid RD.

Someone might look at him as a key piece on the PP needed to push them over the edge. Add a value winger like AJ you may be able to get a decent return

Why would a team give up a long term RD for a rental RD?

 

[cesareborgia]

Get a time machine and stop the Kadri trade. Imagine Kadri on this team. Omg.

 

[nuck]

Barrie would be a rental though, so that will impact his value. If decent return implied a good RD with term, I'm not sure that gets into the better part of the available RD segment. Hope I'm wrong.

If they are set on acquiring a partner for Rielly then he obviously gets moved. Piss poor asset management to go into the playoffs with him, Ceci, Holl plus the new guy at right D when there is only 60 minutes to divide up. Whatever you get for him plus AJ and other assets becomes the new RD and you hopefully don't have to move Dermott or Lily

I agree with others Dumba is too pricey and they need somebody with better defense anyways so they won't have to give up the fortune he would cost. Now if the marketplace is in fact demanding the moon, Barrie should be shifted to own-rental and they keep thier assets and table the RD thing until the summer. I still think they should be using Dermott at RD more to see what he looks like in that spot. 15:00 a game isn't going to tell you what you have with him either.

 

[Joey Hoser]

He has 23 points in 27 games since Keefe took over and has been exactly as advertised/desired. Yeah let's get rid of him while Rielly is out for the next two months and we're trying to drive to the playoffs.

Bunch of embarrassingly bad takes in this thread.

 

[Maplebeasts]

No the first is from the 3rd team. Heard Winnipeg might be interested in a top 4 dman (rental or not). Dermott + (UFA) Barrie for Dumba seems fair from Leafs pov. Minny fans probably disagree.

Ok good you had me worried for a bit.

 

[jaric1862]

If we can trade him for a guy that pair’s more effectively with Rielly then do it. Otherwise you keep him

 

[stopclickbait]

Barrie has been excellent in the playoffs. He destroyed Calgary last year and is .67 PPG in the playoffs.

True I am a big Samuel Girard fan and thought he should be the go to guy but Barrie truly stepped up his game in the playoffs. Made me think twice about discounting the previous lazy narratives I had about him.

 

[Big Muddy]

If they are set on acquiring a partner for Rielly then he obviously gets moved. Piss poor asset management to go into the playoffs with him, Ceci, Holl plus the new guy at right D when there is only 60 minutes to divide up. Whatever you get for him plus AJ and other assets becomes the new RD and you hopefully don't have to move Dermott or Lily

They can trade Barrie without including him in a package though. It could be a separate deal. Different ways of doing this and I'd assume you weren't precluding this possibility.

 

[Menzinger]

Keep him. Hes always been a flawed player in his own end, but too many folks imo are being swayed by the time under Babcock, which is ancient history at this point.

Hes amazing value at 2.75 mil in a sheltered offensive role on the 2nd pairing -which is what he will get once the D core is healthy. The team wont be able to replace him with a better player st that caphit.

There is likely almost zero chance hes traded. If the Leafs had wanted futures, they would have gotten them in the Kadri trade to begin with

Edit:silly typo

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

I voted A and C.

Barrie is a luxury on this team. He's more than capable of scoring and exiting the zone but Rielly is capable of that on one pairing, Holl on another, and Sandin on another.

If the right offer comes along, it might not be the worst idea to make a move.

If it doesn't then keep the offensive luxury and hope he plays lights out on BOTH ends of the ice to earn a big pay-cheque.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Fully agree, you absolutely have to trade Barrie. I will laugh at the team that gets suckered into paying this guy $8M AAV. He is not worth half of that.

Dubas needs to trade him right now! Try to find a team that will be stupid enough to give up their first round pick for him.

This team is certainly not going to win a Stanley Cup, they are more likely to miss the playoffs. No sense in keeping him around.

Leafs are not selling anyone. They are going all in. Highly likely Barrie is here till whenever the season ends. Unless there is some kinda deal to be had for Barrie that makes us better now.

 

[nuck]

They can trade Barrie without including him in a package though. It could be a separate deal. Different ways of doing this and I'd assume you weren't precluding this possibility.

Thats definitely possible I guess but when you go looking for top 4 D a winger like AJ as the main piece he isn't likely to get you something back that isn't a project. I honestly don't know what Barrie gets but if its a late 1st or a couple of 2nds plus AJ that is closer to the Muzzin payment without looking at the premium young assets in the Leafs system or pulling from the Leafs own picks.

I don't have Dreger's view on the value of any random RD but I do agree middle 6 wingers aren't equal toi a legit top 4 RD. Supply and demand.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Barrie has been excellent in the playoffs. He destroyed Calgary last year and is .67 PPG in the playoffs.

I know he is capable of producing offensively in the post season, but that's not the issue. His defensive shortcomings would be even more exposed in physical, tight checking, playoff style hockey.

We have other guys that can step up and produce offense on the back end. What we're sorely lacking is another guy in the mold of Jake Muzzin.

 

[Dirty Dan]

trade him for a backup or something

with sandin we don't need him as much when reilly is back

we are not resigning this guy

 

[Clark4Ever]

He has 23 points in 27 games since Keefe took over and has been exactly as advertised/desired. Yeah let's get rid of him while Rielly is out for the next two months and we're trying to drive to the playoffs.

Bunch of embarrassingly bad takes in this thread.

If we subtract Barrie and get nothing of substance that can help us now, it's obviously a stupid move.

However, if we can land a top 4 RHD that can actually hit people, win puck battles, and clear the front of the net, I think we would be better off.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I voted to keep Barrie as their own rental because I can't see any team giving Toronto anything of value in a trade since he will become a UFA.

Plus when Barrie can score goals he makes their defense better with his offense and we saw an example of his shot against Dallas on the goal he scored.

 

[goleafsgo1990]

He has 23 points in 27 games since Keefe took over and has been exactly as advertised/desired. Yeah let's get rid of him while Rielly is out for the next two months and we're trying to drive to the playoffs.

Bunch of embarrassingly bad takes in this thread.

The only embarrassing thing is Barries play in the d-zone and the blind partisans who defend his incompetence. He’s far worse defensively than any of us could imagine. He will be eaten alive in the playoffs if he’s not sheltered. We don’t need points padding, we need defensive competence to support our ever frustrated goaltender. Sandin is already miles ahead of him in most regards, thankfully.

In an ideal world you flip Barrie+ for a top 4 RD defensive specialist.

The trade was pointless imo.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Isn't Barrie top 5 in points by dmen since Keefe took over?

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Own rental. I've no interest in re-signing Barrie given the money he'll likely demand.

 

[bonjovi0308]

If you don't want to hold onto him beyond this season, why would you want to hold onto him now? He will be targeted by the opposing teams in the playoffs

 

[goleafsgo1990]

If you don't want to hold onto him beyond this season, why would you want to hold onto him now? He will be targeted by the opposing teams in the playoffs

True. Can’t see Dubas trading him, would make him look like a dumba$$. So he’ll stand by his acquisition as he gets feasted on in the playoffs and possibly ruins our chances like Gards used to do.