What playoff outcome for the Habs would be enough to make you happy?

What playoff outcome for the Habs would be enough to make you happy?


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Kudo Shinichi

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3 scenarios:
1- we make it at least to the ECF
2 - We lose whenever but we manage to sign Hall after that
3 - We lose whenever but Kotkaniemi/Suzuki have absolute dominant performance
 

bobholly39

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This is a rigged poll. It's a real cup. The players won't call it a "fake" cup. It will require the same amount of wins and effort, maybe more, and the best team( cough, Blues, cough) will win it, well hopefully. Anyway it won't be us, no need to worry. :laugh:

I just want the play-in over and out, then get 1st overall, and watch some summer playoff hockey. :nod:

It's not a rigged poll. The premise of the poll is "if we beat Pittsburgh....what makes you happy".

Well, last option states voter wants to lose the play-in no matter what.

Yes. Premise is - if we beat Pittsburgh - what will it take to make you happy. Last option gives a place for people to state that if we beat Pittsburgh, nothing will make them happy, not even winning the cup.

But it's not the same as me asking if you rather win the play in or not. Most people would say they rather lose, because they figure if we win the play-in we won't make it far and it would be a wasted effort. That's not the question at all. This question talks about specific potential results, all the way to winning the cup.

How does anyone Not pick Winning the SC??

How can any other scenario make you happier than winning the cup?

I see may a people have never attended the Vulcan school of logic.

Well - keep in mind i'm asking which scenario is enough to make you happy. Obviously a cup is better than losing in a previous playoff round. But personally - I voted losing in the finals. 93 was my first year I became a fan and didn't appreciate it as much - we've made the ECF and lost since, but I've never seen the team go all the way to the finals. I feel if we made a run all the way to the finals, i'd be ecstatic, even if we somehow lost. Obviously winning is even better, but that's not the specific question. I think even if we lost in the ECF i'd still be disappointed somehow, simply because we've reached there before recently.

It is the last option.

It's not exactly though. The premise here is if we beat Pittsburgh - what would make you happy. I could have asked a more open ended question "do you want to beat Pitt or not" and I know most would vote no, because they'd assume (and probably correctly) that we don't stand a real chance to win in the playoffs. This question is specifically asking which playoff outcome would make you happy if we beat Pittsburgh. And the last option allows for voters to say nothing will make them happy, even all the way to winning the cup - that they want to lose to Pit no matter what.

so it's not the exact same thing.

Why win the Cup when we could lose and have a one in eight chance of picking a player who might help us, one day, win a Cup?!?!

Good morning. Welcome to HF! Is this your first time here?

Lose in double overtime of game 5. Then draft Lafreniere.

That's what i'm rooting for too tbh - only because i don't think we have a legitimate chance to win the cup with our roster. But remember the poll is asking specifically what you want if what you stated doesn't happen. ie - we beat Pittsburgh, then what makes you happy. And if you believe that not even winning the cup would make you happy, there's the last option available to vote for.

None of the above.

If no one gets the virus in the middle of a pandemic, that's the best possible outcome. The rest is gravy.

Interesting opinion, and not necessarily wrong. I do hope the bubble cities help a lot with that, but we'll just have to wait and see. I'm cautiously optimistic in thinking things will work out nicely overall.

I respect your view but my opinion of it won't change and a lot of people feel the way I do, hence the skew of the poll.

I don't think my view is ridiculous at all, this doesn't feel like a natural conclusion to a season, just an arbitrary tournament in the middle of summer.

If you could have 'respected my opinion' too when I previously expressed the same one to you so often - maybe we wouldn't argue in threads so often. Oh well ;)

Voted not even winning the cup ... I would have voted loss in the playins, why is the option not there if someone wants to collect opinions ? Even if it's misspelled and round 1 is the playins, I'm certainly not happy they made the "playoffs"

Round 1 is round 1, not the play-ins.

The poll question isn't difficult. The premise is - if we beat Pittsburgh....what would make you happy. That's why it's not an option.

It's like if I created a poll asking "if we end up drafting 9th - who do you want to draft" - and everyone responded with "why isn't winning #1 and drafting Lafreniere an option". Well - because that's not what I'm asking.

Did you actually read the OP? Literally my first sentence acknowledges that most fans here seem to want to lose the play-ins.
 

PhysicX

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Then why bring up the play-in in the first place????????????

You're shooting yourself in the neck there. Just write: I want to lose in the playoffs no matter what instead of play-in.
 

PhysicX

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Anyway, based on realistic outcomes, best case scenario is we lose the play-in and try our luck at the second lottery. Drafting ninth ain't bad.

Worst case scenario would be to win against Pittsburgh, and make it to the ECF or final, only to watch us lose. The run would be entertaining to watch, enjoyable, even exciting... Only to bring us back to reality. A reality, which has shown the lack of talent across the lineup, and which confirmed this wasn't a playoff-bound team in the first place.

Imagine being offered an opportunity to fulfill your wildest fantasy. It starts off with foreplay. The further you go in the playoffs, the closer you get to reaching Nirvana or to fulfilling your fantasy. Losing in this scenario would equal to getting smacked across the face with a crowbar (losing some teeth and getting your nose broken) AND getting thai-kicked in the groin as you're about to enter Valhalla. You didn't reach the penultimate goal, and your ego needs to get rebuilt (and face).

So yea, it's either lose in play-in or the full experience.
 
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angusyoung

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How does anyone Not pick Winning the SC??

How can any other scenario make you happier than winning the cup?

I see may a people have never attended the Vulcan school of logic.

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All I know is that when I go to casinos,I hope I lose all my money!:sarcasm:
 
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angusyoung

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''made the playoffs''

We were 12th place with 10 points behind , with 2 ahl line and we lost 4 times to detroit..
How can someone be happy that we make the playoffs , even if we were to win the cup , that wouldnt even be cool since our team does not deserve it at all. Any teams outside the playoffs does not deserve to win the cup.

So the NHL should go back to a format of first plays 16th then as some seasons teams in other divisions make it in when if they were in another division they would be out.

I suppose the gold medal champs at the Olympics and IIHF don't merit any accolades seeing as they are short tournaments?
 
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So the NHL should go back to a format of first plays 16th then as some seasons teams in other divisions make it in when if they were in another division they would be out.

I suppose the gold medal champs at the Olympics and IIHF don't merit any accolades seeing as they are short tournaments?

They should.

And that's a completely different thing. The Olympics and IIHF have always been short tournaments of recently created teams.

At the Olympics they dont shut it down a game away from the end of the round Robin, start up four months later and expand the medal round to include every country but two.
 

bobholly39

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Then why bring up the play-in in the first place????????????

You're shooting yourself in the neck there. Just write: I want to lose in the playoffs no matter what instead of play-in.

You mean in the OP, in my first sentence? I guess it was to address the elephant in the room. ie "I know most want us to lose the play-in - but this poll questions is to specifically consider the alternate scenario where we win - so if we win the play-in, what makes you happy".

I really think the OP is pretty clearly stated after reading it again. It wasn't meant to be confusing or misleading.
 

bobholly39

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They should.

And that's a completely different thing. The Olympics and IIHF have always been short tournaments of recently created teams.

At the Olympics they dont shut it down a game away from the end of the round Robin, start up four months later and expand the medal round to include every country but two.

NHL didn't have a choice. They didn't cause the pandemic. They reacted in the best way possible. Ended the season when they had no choice, and shut down. Whether or not it's safe to start up again now is a bit more debatable - but I think they've done a much better job of it than any other pro-leagues in north america, which is the most you can ask for in these unique times.

Also - running the playoffs in a "bubble" type scenario is a much easier prospect than running a regular season with 31 teams/82 games. It was the easier thing to accomplish. It made sense to try it.

My opinion is that next season is almost for sure going to be very unique as well, if it can even happen. Possibly all inter division play only with set teams in bubble cities, or playing same team multiple times in a row (like baseball) or other such scenarios. Teams won't be able to travel city to city. And some teams will have unfair advantages or disadvantages most likely.

Now if you want to be super upset at allowing 24 playoff teams vs less, that's fine. I agree that ~20 teams was probably the better cutoff, but it is what it is. The point is you seem so adamant in saying this isn't the same as a regular cup - and no one disagrees, it's not. But it's the best of a bad situation and the reality of 2020. Considering all teams are on equal footing going into the playoffs, and you have to go through up to 5 rounds - the integrity of the cup is still the same, as it's still extremely hard to win.

Whether sloppiness due to the 4 month layoff comes into play a lot in determining the outcomes is still to be seen, but I do agree with you that if it does impact results a lot, it would kind of suck. I don't expect it to though - i think most teams will be ready to go
 

bobholly39

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Anyway, based on realistic outcomes, best case scenario is we lose the play-in and try our luck at the second lottery. Drafting ninth ain't bad.

Worst case scenario would be to win against Pittsburgh, and make it to the ECF or final, only to watch us lose. The run would be entertaining to watch, enjoyable, even exciting... Only to bring us back to reality. A reality, which has shown the lack of talent across the lineup, and which confirmed this wasn't a playoff-bound team in the first place.

Imagine being offered an opportunity to fulfill your wildest fantasy. It starts off with foreplay. The further you go in the playoffs, the closer you get to reaching Nirvana or to fulfilling your fantasy. Losing in this scenario would equal to getting smacked across the face with a crowbar (losing some teeth and getting your nose broken) AND getting thai-kicked in the groin as you're about to enter Valhalla. You didn't reach the penultimate goal, and your ego needs to get rebuilt (and face).

So yea, it's either lose in play-in or the full experience.

Well - worst case scenario would be to win against Pittsburgh only to lose in round 1, or then round 2. Wouldn't at least making it to round 3 and 4 provide a lot of entertainment and be better than losing in rounds 1 or 2? If you disagree - I find that a fascinating opinion, but can kind of see where you're coming from..
 

angusyoung

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They should.

And that's a completely different thing. The Olympics and IIHF have always been short tournaments of recently created teams.

At the Olympics they dont shut it down a game away from the end of the round Robin, start up four months later and expand the medal round to include every country but two.

I'm all for the 1st versus 16th,but that won't happen,sadly.

The format is the format and all teams participating are starting off on equal footing and whomever ends up winning the cup it will be deserved.
 

domiwroze

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I can't bare the Idea that if we win the cup in this weird tournament it's gonna be the first Stanley Cup that I witness my team winning. It's not a dream scenario but a cup is a cup, not just how I wanted it to be.

Everyone here saying that they won't be happy if we win it is lying, starting with me. But I don't want my first to be like that, even tho that sound like a sweet16 kid talking about sex.

So I guess the dream scenario would be Lafy or bust. But I for sure would celebrate like crazy if we win it.

So Cup or bust against Pittsburgh is the perfect scenario for me.
 

WeThreeKings

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Guy on 690 yesterday, said 91% of Canadien fans want to lose for the pick

There's also gotta be a sense of realism here.

We were not even close to good enough to make the play-offs. That would indicate that we clearly wouldn't be good enough to win a cup, so by winning any round, would be detrimental to the true needs of the team as evidenced by this year and the last four preceding years.
 

WeThreeKings

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Why not? The Hawks in 2014 won a cup in an irregular season and no one is yapping about it as far as I know.

Because there wasn't a 4 month hiatus between the conclusion of the regular season and the play-offs. They also never modified the play-off format part way through the year, it was clearly established at the beginning of the lock-out resumption, that these would be the parameters to make it.

The Stanley Cup play-offs have always been about attrition, coming from the end of a regular season and going into a 4 series battle to claim the cup. It has never been about an extended lay-off, with random inclusion of teams, and altered play-off rounds.
 

Grate n Colorful Oz

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Why not? The Hawks in 2014 won a cup in an irregular season and no one is yapping about it as far as I know.

They had a shortened season, not a 5 month break in-between the season and playoffs.

After 48 games, they had wear and tear.

Now, it's like we're essentially hosting the playoffs in mid-October.

Oh, not sure you were around, but it's crazy the number of times people have doubted Subban's Norris because it was only 48 games in 2013.
 

angusyoung

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Because there wasn't a 4 month hiatus between the conclusion of the regular season and the play-offs. They also never modified the play-off format part way through the year, it was clearly established at the beginning of the lock-out resumption, that these would be the parameters to make it.

The Stanley Cup play-offs have always been about attrition, coming from the end of a regular season and going into a 4 series battle to claim the cup. It has never been about an extended lay-off, with random inclusion of teams, and altered play-off rounds.

Not disputing those facts,but with the pandemic,things are/were going to have to change if they want to have a conclusion and this is the best way they could come up with it appears.
 

WeThreeKings

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Not disputing those facts,but with the pandemic,things are/were going to have to change if they want to have a conclusion and this is the best way they could come up with it appears.

It's not, I came up with another way that was a lot more true to the results of the regular season. This was the best way they could recoup money from avid fanbases like Montreal/Chicago and nothing to do with integrity of the competition.
 

Grate n Colorful Oz

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Not disputing those facts,but with the pandemic,things are/were going to have to change if they want to have a conclusion and this is the best way they could come up with it appears.

Why not simply end the season then and have plenty of time to prepare for a full season?

Rhetorical question, yes money.

A Stanley cup has already been cancelled because of a pandemic anyway.
 
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