What is the plan with Aho?

[RodTheBawd]

Yeah, it's not "overweight". It's that it looks like he's got a bit more of a gut and not as defined. Like I said, clearly an offseason exaggeration.

A bit of a midsummer dad-bod vibe going.

Aho looks like he could take on all three at once.

Looks like he's added some good weight. Probably going to be pushing mid 180's soon.

 

[geehaad]

TT is overweight.

Is he fat? Probably not.
Is he in the shape of an elite professional athlete? Not at all.

The dude hasn't gotten the message yet.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

A bit of a midsummer dad-bod vibe going.

That's why I posted it. A 23 year old professional athlete shouldn't have a dad-bod vibe going on.

 

[A Star is Burns]

There have been plenty of guys to be out of shape that have still been able to perform at a high level. If he keeps performing, who cares? If it affects him like Darling last year, then I'll worry.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

There’s a positive side to it. It means he’s a damn good hockey player. If he ever figures the fitness out, he may break through a ceiling with his play.

We’ve seen the downside of the other way around for a young player (Gauthier). Dominated junior because he was so in shape, then there was no real room for improvement when he began working with pro training staffs.

Not trying to say being out of shape is a good thing. But in a weird way, I’d rather him produce what he did last year in so-so shape than have the exact same production and be ripped. It means we may have more to see from him.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Hey man, not everyone needs to be in the gym 24/7.

 

[emptyNedder]

Frankly, if he's a 25-30G, 60P player, I don't care what he does in the off season, but I still think it's fair to question based on hi history.

He was a 60 point player last season. That is worth $5.2+ in this league. It seems like you take Timonen's criticism fully, but you don't take his analysis fully. He doesn't think TT can be a solid player. He says "superstar." The hockeyviv chart indicates that he makes Aho better.

I see both sides. And I understand that the Canes and Canes' fans feel burned in the past. But getting top players signed to good contracts is what Nashville, Winnipeg, and Tampa have done to succeed. For me, it is too much of a gamble to wait another season. Teravainen can be signed for 7years/$37 million (or close) now. That will be a steal if he merely repeats 17-18 for the next 8 years. If Timonen is correct, the Canes could have a superstar for a good player's salary. I actually think Teravainen will get 50 assists most seasons playing with Aho and with Svechnikov on the power play. So his goal scoring only needs to be 15+ most seasons.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

There have been plenty of guys to be out of shape that have still been able to perform at a high level. If he keeps performing, who cares? If it affects him like Darling last year, then I'll worry.

To me that's like saying if "Skinner keeps scoring, who cares about his defense play." Which sounds like is exactly what happened, judging by some comments this summer. And things snowballed, people got sick of it, and now he's gone.

I'm not gonna say that'll happen with TT, it probably won't. But I don't like tossing concerns aside. What if he's an 80 point player in elite shape instead of a 60 point player now? I'd absolutely care about that.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

There have been plenty of guys to be out of shape that have still been able to perform at a high level. If he keeps performing, who cares? If it affects him like Darling last year, then I'll worry.

Like I said, if he's a 25-30G/ 60P player, I really don't care what he does in the offseason. I DO see why it might be a concern for the team right now though, (which is where this conversation really came from), when deciding on a long term, multi-dollar contract.

 

[MinJaBen]

Aho at #18:

SportingNews Top 25 Under 25

 

[tarheelhockey]

To me, TT’s physical conditioning is not an issue at all. It’s more about him being a b-plus sort of offensive producer but not quite a star. It’s difficult to get players like that at a good value, because there’s always someone out there willing to pay for their potential. It’s easy to get sucked into an overpayment scenario.

If they can lock him down long term in the $5-5.5M range for a long time, I’m thrilled. But if it’s a short contract or if he starts talking about testing the market, I worry that we’re setting up to do something silly just to keep from losing him.

 

[NotOpie]

TT is overweight.

Is he fat? Probably not.
Is he in the shape of an elite professional athlete? Not at all.

The dude hasn't gotten the message yet.

That's why I posted it. A 23 year old professional athlete shouldn't have a dad-bod vibe going on.

I'm telling you....he doesn't need this:

He needs this:

I actually think Teravainen will get 50 assists most seasons playing with Aho and with Svechnikov on the power play. So his goal scoring only needs to be 15+ most seasons.

I actually think that Teravainen could potentially score more goals than Aho this season, especially if Sea Bass moves to the middle.

 

[Lempo]

To me, TT’s physical conditioning is not an issue at all. It’s more about him being a b-plus sort of offensive producer but not quite a star. It’s difficult to get players like that at a good value, because there’s always someone out there willing to pay for their potential. It’s easy to get sucked into an overpayment scenario.

If they can lock him down long term in the $5-5.5M range for a long time, I’m thrilled. But if it’s a short contract or if he starts talking about testing the market, I worry that we’re setting up to do something silly just to keep from losing him.

I don't see that a guy who signs for 2 at $2.86M to play as #86 would be bent on insisting on the last dime. If CAR stays good place for him to play otherwise, there'll be no numbers-related hardship in extending him.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't see that a guy who signs for 2 at $2.86M to play as #86 would be bent on insisting on the last dime. If CAR stays good place for him to play otherwise, there'll be no numbers-related hardship in extending him.

We bid $4

 

[Lempo]

We bid $4

Audi or Samsung?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He was a 60 point player last season. That is worth $5.2+ in this league. It seems like you take Timonen's criticism fully, but you don't take his analysis fully.

Not at all. The line you quoted said if he scores at that level, I don't really care what he does in the offseason, yet if him working harder in the off-season could make him even better, I can see why a team might be cautious of giving him a long term deal based on 1 season.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Not every hockey player is going to look like Rod the Bod. I mean Kessel is the extreme of the example, but shape, and definition are not clear indicators of an Athletes level of fitness. I guarantee you "dad bod" Tuevo could go run a 10k even in the offseason. Aho on the other hand looks like he roided out. Dude is swoll.

 

[geehaad]

I’ll take the bet that TT can run a 10K.

Any adult who has been an athlete at a lower level of fitness and then transformed their body into a higher level can attest to the world of difference it makes in your performance. And by the way, if you’ve never done this yourself, maybe play spectator on this topic, ok?

Does that necessarily translate into goals/points? Maybe not, but give us the benefit of ruling that out as an improvement that can be made.

From those two pics, Kessel looks like he’s packing less than TT. There, I said it.

 

[vorbis]

aside from comments back in Chicago about him committing to fitness in the offseason, which for the record would be a relevant statement and learning curve for pretty much any first year NHLer, have there been any signs whatsoever of Teravainen having subpar fitness or physical performance during the season? in the absence of that, what's the actual kerfuffle here?

 

[The Faulker 27]

I’ll take the bet that TT can run a 10K.

Any adult who has been an athlete at a lower level of fitness and then transformed their body into a higher level can attest to the world of difference it makes in your performance. And by the way, if you’ve never done this yourself, maybe play spectator on this topic, ok?

Does that necessarily translate into goals/points? Maybe not, but give us the benefit of ruling that out as an improvement that can be made.

From those two pics, Kessel looks like he’s packing less than TT. There, I said it.

Wait, so you're directing a comment at me personally, suggesting I shouldn't have an opinion in this matter because why? Please tell because last time I checked you don't know me from Adam.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Running a 10k isn’t some great accomplishment, particularly for an an athlete or in fact, anyone in decent shape. I’m not a runner and ran the Krispy Kreme 5 miler (8k) a few years ago in my 40s (non donut eating) without much problem.

 

[The Faulker 27]

aside from comments back in Chicago about him committing to fitness in the offseason, which for the record would be a relevant statement and learning curve for pretty much any first year NHLer, have there been any signs whatsoever of Teravainen having subpar fitness or physical performance during the season? in the absence of that, what's the actual kerfuffle here?

As far as I can tell, it's dominoed into a few folks making assumptions on a pro athlete's fitness level based on one picture, and getting defensive with any opinion otherwise.

 

[MinJaBen]

what's the actual kerfuffle here?

The whole thing started with a discussion of TT's worth in his next contract...and then the teardown began.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Do you guys really think that a team isn’t going to consider a players off season dedication when it comes to contract negotiations. I have no idea how dedicated TT is, but this isn’t about tearing him down, it’s legitimately questioning how the team will view this in contract negotiations.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

As far as I can tell, it's dominoed into a few folks making assumptions on a pro athlete's fitness level based on one picture, and getting defensive with any opinion otherwise.

Seems more like posters getting defensive when other posters questions a player as it pertains to his next contract.