Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by illpucks, Feb 9, 2019.
At least it's not intangibles.
It's not, is it?
Ovi, Crosby and Malkin.
That's some solid company above him. You don't consider Kane being #4 among the best?
100+ Point seasons
40+ Goal seasons:
I think it's pretty obvious. Malkin and Crosby have also had way more games lost to injury over that time span.
Idk if you can even give Kane the number 4 spot over a guy like Stamkos. Stammer has 4 40 goal seasons and 3 90 point seasons, while Kane has only 1 of each.
I was replying to a post asking who would be ahead of Kane. That's the answer so, yes, Kane would (probably) be fourth.
patty kane is playing on another level since Nov; guy is on an absolute tear. wouldn't surprise me if he took over kucherov or at least finish as a top 3 in points this season.
Strome coming into his own a little also helps open up scoring for the hawks and spread out offense helping stars put on a show more
Crosby vs Kane
Its tough. But I'd say it's mostly cause he isn't.
Phenomenal player, but he's in the Crosby/Ovi Era
I has nothing to do with not being Canadian. He simply is not as good. Look at the number of Top-10 goals, assists, point finishes and GPG, APG, and PPG for Kane and the likes of Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin...it's not even close.
Using game winning goals as an argument for Kane being a better clutch player is asinine. Not only are game winning goals deceiving (ie. player scores goal for team to put them up 4-1 against the opposition with the opposition scoring 2 goals resulting in 4-3 final score and said player now having the game-winning goal). Pretty well all goals are equally important and Kane is lacking when compared to the other 3.
As of now, Kane ranks a good step below these recent players...more along the with the likes of a Joe Thornton. Nothing wrong with that - both will be first ballot hall of famers.
What is it with Hawks and intangibles when trying to make an argument for why they are better than everyone else. It’s like there’s a training manual. “If the stats say otherwise, don’t fret, just claim he’s better at something that is impossible to prove like “clutch plays” or grit/60 and the argument is yours”
If the big 3 weren't playing in his era, Kane would be runaway best player of his generation. But there are levels to this and he isn't on their level. Nothing to be ashamed of because those 3 are special, special players man
I predicted I'd see this within the first 10 posts. Just a tad off....
While he has a Hart, look at where he generally finished in voting relative to Ovi and Crosby. Not only do the 8 and 87 have more than one win, they also have a bunch of nominations.
Ovechkin and Malkin are my favorite canadians
and what makes it even more clear as day are the PPG/GPG finishes
(because Malkin's Top 10s weren't posted)
If you cancel common finishes for each metric, here's what it would look like:
Kane - OV: T10 Points, Goals, Hart, PPG, GPG
5,9 : 2,3,3,4,7,8
2, 10 : 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,3,3,4
6,7 : 1,1,2,9
3,4,4 : 1,1,5,8,9,9
3,7 : 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,5,5,6
Kane - Crosby: T10 Points, Goals, Hart, PPG, GPG
5,9 : 1,2,3,3,3,3,6,10
Goals stay the same
6,7 : 1,2,2,2,3,5
4,5 : 1,1,1,1,2,2,3,6
3,7 : 1,1,10
Kane - Malkin: T10 Points, Goals, Hart, PPG, GPG
5,9 : 1,4
5,10 : 4,4
6,6,7 : 2,2
4,5 : 2,2,3,3,7,8
7 : 3,6,6
Literally in every metric, Kane comes DEAD last
A league devoid of McDavid, Ovechkin, Crosby and Malkin.
I love Kane's game. He is having an amazing career, both personally and team-wise. But I feel like anyone who would put him above Crosby, Ovechkin, or even Malkin isn't talking sense.
Kane is an amazing player but I wonder if the rape allegations and the cab incident doesn’t hurt his legacy in this regard
Edit: to clarify I just meant in a way that maybe a little bad PR hurt his reputation in his early career doesn’t take anything from him as a hockey player
I think Kane should be ranked higher than Malkin or Ovechkin considering his achievements and amazing skill level. When you think about it realistically 5 or 10 points more per season doesnt prove about anythink who is better player it depends so much on what style of game team plays what kind of linemates etc player has and Kane has comparable stats last 10 years as those mentioned players. What matters is that when game is on line tied 3-3 or you are chasing one goal lead and Kane gets puck on his blade he is about more dangerous than anyone its mostly about his silky smooth skills and patience with puck only Crosby should be ranked higher than him 2010-to this day this decade and Kane is younger than Ovezkin or Malkin clearly younger he propably has 3-5 years more great years ahead than those.
From 2007-2015 Datsyuk was easily better.
Does any current active player have more playoff OT goals than Kane?
I’ve always been under the impression that he’s super clutch and now looking it up it he has 5 playoff ot goals with 3(!) series clinchers.
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