What is ailing the Oilers?

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KeithIsActuallyBad

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Having them be committed defensively will certainly help other players also commit defensively since they are leaders. It's a low hanging fruit for the Oilers to fix right away since it's not exactly easy to go get better players.
If McDrai play better defensively, they won't need to cheat so much because there will be less goals conceded, there will be less pressure on the goalie and defence.
I don't believe it will. Defensive issues have plagued the Oilers long before McDavid and Draisatl were even playing juniors. Really, they're the only thing separating this team from drafting first overall again.
 

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Not buying your excuse. Just 2 years ago the Isles were the worse defensive team in hockey and over the course of 1 summer became the best defensive team in hockey with both their goaltenders including a former drug addict becoming Vezina candidates. That required the entire team listening to the coach and when their top player Barzal needed further encouragement they benched him. Do you think players like McDrai who openly question their coaches criticism “oh I know how to play in the playoffs” would take kindly to a benching? It’s their attitudes not the coaches.

They need Torts.

What is crazy is Oiler fans care more about McDrai winning individual awards than winning games or let me phrase it better....they think that the rest of the team is a problem so they have no problem with McDrai freelancing all game instead of playing TEAM hockey. They do not. If they think this is the only way to win then they are wrong also because they have lost what? Ten in a row?

Excuse after excuse after excuse. They won't win with a decent goalie either because the team plays no defense. None. The team chemistry is totally blown.
 

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Not buying your excuse. Just 2 years ago the Isles were the worse defensive team in hockey and over the course of 1 summer became the best defensive team in hockey with both their goaltenders including a former drug addict becoming Vezina candidates. That required the entire team listening to the coach and when their top player Barzal needed further encouragement they benched him. Do you think players like McDrai who openly question their coaches criticism “oh I know how to play in the playoffs” would take kindly to a benching? It’s their attitudes not the coaches.
Trotz is the best coach in the league, Tippett wouldn't be able to sniff his jockstrap. There's a reason this clown has a sub .500 record in the playoffs. And then there's the GMs... One team decided to do some due diligence when hiring into a position of importance and the other decided to hire their buddy from Hockey Canada because it was the easy way out. Can you guess who's who?
 

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They need Torts.

What is crazy is Oiler fans care more about McDrai winning individual awards than winning games or let me phrase it better....they think that the rest of the team is a problem so they have no problem with McDrai freelancing all game instead of playing TEAM hockey. They do not. If they think this is the only way to win then they are wrong also because they have lost what? Ten in a row?

Excuse after excuse after excuse. They won't win with a decent goalie either because the team plays no defense. None. The team chemistry is totally blown.
They need Torts.

What is crazy is Oiler fans care more about McDrai winning individual awards than winning games or let me phrase it better....they think that the rest of the team is a problem so they have no problem with McDrai freelancing all game instead of playing TEAM hockey. They do not. If they think this is the only way to win then they are wrong also because they have lost what? Ten in a row?

Excuse after excuse after excuse. They won't win with a decent goalie either because the team plays no defense. None. The team chemistry is totally blown.
Yup
 

KeithIsActuallyBad

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They need Torts.

What is crazy is Oiler fans care more about McDrai winning individual awards than winning games or let me phrase it better....they think that the rest of the team is a problem so they have no problem with McDrai freelancing all game instead of playing TEAM hockey. They do not. If they think this is the only way to win then they are wrong also because they have lost what? Ten in a row?

Excuse after excuse after excuse. They won't win with a decent goalie either because the team plays no defense. None. The team chemistry is totally blown.
Needless to say, this is bullshit. Year after year of lazy hires, bad trades, even worse signings... It's easy to have this view because your team isn't run so damn poorly. Put the execs from the Lightning on the Oilers and this thread wouldn't even exist.
 

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Trotz is the best coach in the league, Tippett wouldn't be able to sniff his jockstrap. There's a reason this clown has a sub .500 record in the playoffs. And then there's the GMs... One team decided to do some due diligence when hiring into a position of importance and the other decided to hire their buddy from Hockey Canada because it was the easy way out. Can you guess who's who?
You can hire the best coach in the league but if your top players don’t listen it would make no difference. All the Islander teams were of good character and listened to their coaches regardless of the outcome. These two McDrai are too comfortable and play like they own the team. Never seen anything like it.
 
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I watched Brossoit in Vegas on Sunday and couldn't help thinking he would be a huge upgrade over any goalie that Edmonton currently plays.
Brossoit was a little shaky at first, but he's settled in nicely and his play is visibly improving from game to game. He's now less of a backup goalie than sort of a co-goalie with Lehner. Yeah, hindsight being 20/20, Brossoit was a steal.
 

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You can hire the best coach in the league but if your top players don’t listen it would make no difference. All the Islander teams were of good character and listened to their coaches regardless of the outcome. These two McDrai are too comfortable and play like they own the team. Never seen anything like it.
But Tippett isn't a top coach and he never has been. Go look at his playoff record. Lots of first round exits and losses to teams that his teams should've beaten.

McDavid and Draisatl are easy targets because they're the players other teams fans think of when they hear about the Oilers. They don't talk about how Turris shouldn't be anywhere near an NHL lineup, or how the Oilers backup yesterday hasn't played a second in the NHL.

If you want a good idea of how well our two teams are managed... Go look at the extensions for Pelech and Nurse respectively. Then try to tell me how the problems are on the ice.
 

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You can hire the best coach in the league but if your top players don’t listen it would make no difference. All the Islander teams were of good character and listened to their coaches regardless of the outcome. These two McDrai are too comfortable and play like they own the team. Never seen anything like it.
Need a Torts or Babcock to come in with full authority to do whatever they want and lay down the wood, including benching or even locking out players for long periods of time. At the very least, psychoanalysts in the Edmonton area will see a boom in business. But that's just one side of the Oilers' rubic cube -- their personnel decisions have been awful too, and that franchise is not likely to get all its sides into the same colors for probably three or four years with any coach, and even that's assuming that they cashier their GM before this year's TDL and hire somebody with a long-term plan instead of just making repeated plug-the-holes hires.
 

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As dives go I can only give it a 2/10.
I mean... the thought was there and he kind of made the attempt but it was really lacking in style and effort.
Koskinen should have received a 2 minute penalty just for the shitty performance.
 
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KeithIsActuallyBad

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Need a Torts or Babcock to come in with full authority to do whatever they want and lay down the wood, including benching or even locking out players for long periods of time. At the very least, psychoanalysts in the Edmonton area will see a boom in business. But that's just one side of the Oilers' rubic cube -- their personnel decisions have been awful too, and that franchise is not likely to get all its sides into the same colors for probably three or four years with any coach, and even that's assuming that they cashier their GM before this year's TDL and hire somebody with a long-term plan instead of just making repeated plug-the-holes hires.
That's what we thought with Eakins and Quinn.

It predictably turned out poorly.
 
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I don't believe it will. Defensive issues have plagued the Oilers long before McDavid and Draisatl were even playing juniors. Really, they're the only thing separating this team from drafting first overall again.

Oilers' leading youngsters/best players have always been poor defensively (see Hall, Eberle). RNH is only competent there but not a leader.
 

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Oilers' leading youngsters/best players have always been poor defensively (see Hall, Eberle). RNH is only competent there but not a leader.
And yet when Eberle went to the Islanders he became much better...

Put McDavid and Draisatl on any other team and this discussion probably doesn't happen. It's quite simple really, the Oilers have seen these two players as an instant win button and have not supplanted them with the support they need both on and off the ice. How anyone can let Oilers brass off the hook when they've overseen 15 years of failure is beyond me.
 

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But Tippett isn't a top coach and he never has been. Go look at his playoff record. Lots of first round exits and losses to teams that his teams should've beaten.

McDavid and Draisatl are easy targets because they're the players other teams fans think of when they hear about the Oilers. They don't talk about how Turris shouldn't be anywhere near an NHL lineup, or how the Oilers backup yesterday hasn't played a second in the NHL.

If you want a good idea of how well our two teams are managed... Go look at the extensions for Pelech and Nurse respectively. Then try to tell me how the problems are on the ice.
Tippett's last playoff loss to a clearly inferior squad was 15 years ago, not counting his Oilers tenure.
 

KeithIsActuallyBad

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Tippett's last playoff loss to a clearly inferior squad was 15 years ago, not counting his Oilers tenure.
Why are we excluding the last two years, exactly? Anyone who watched that Hawks series can't seriously think "Wow Dave Tippett is a great coach as the Blackhawks continue to employ the same successful tactics without any adjustments", right?
 

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But Tippett isn't a top coach and he never has been. Go look at his playoff record. Lots of first round exits and losses to teams that his teams should've beaten.

McDavid and Draisatl are easy targets because they're the players other teams fans think of when they hear about the Oilers. They don't talk about how Turris shouldn't be anywhere near an NHL lineup, or how the Oilers backup yesterday hasn't played a second in the NHL.

If you want a good idea of how well our two teams are managed... Go look at the extensions for Pelech and Nurse respectively. Then try to tell me how the problems are on the ice.
BS. He's actually a very good coach. Before Trotz the Islanders would have loved to have had a Tippett coaching their team. He had winning seasons every year with the Stars. Winning seasons most years with the Yotes and winning seasons with the Oilers. If they aren't listening to a coach with that much success what makes you think they will listen to a Torts?
 
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Can you contradict anymore than this...not ultimate but best players in teh league.

They are lazy on defense. Set poor examples for the rest of the team.

They will never win anything in the postseason the way they play.

They might as well just hang out at the blueline all game...oh...that's what they do.
If you're trying to blame the two best players in the league for a team's problems, you're trying too hard and looking in the wrong places. You are right they could stand to be better, but that doesn't fix the Edmonton Oilers. It sure would be great if they were better on defense, but that's not going to win them a cup when they've got Smith and Koskinen in the net. Trying to blame McDavid and Drai for the Oilers demonstrates a woeful misunderstanding of how hockey teams work, even if you might be right about their shortcomings.

And do you really not have the imagination to understand how the best player in the league might not be the ultimate player? Imagine Draisaitl with McDavid's skating abilities. Imagine McDavid with Ovechkin's physicality. Imagine those players with Bergeron's defense. Saying that the two best players in the league could be better is a perfectly fine statement.
 

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Why are we excluding the last two years, exactly? Anyone who watched that Hawks series can't seriously think "Wow Dave Tippett is a great coach as the Blackhawks continue to employ the same successful tactics without any adjustments", right?
Because the Oilers stars are running the show, not Tippett.

It's also difficult to win a 5-game series when your best player pretty much single-handedly loses game 1.
 
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And yet when Eberle went to the Islanders he became much better...

Put McDavid and Draisatl on any other team and this discussion probably doesn't happen. It's quite simple really, the Oilers have seen these two players as an instant win button and have not supplanted them with the support they need both on and off the ice. How anyone can let Oilers brass off the hook when they've overseen 15 years of failure is beyond me.
When Eberle left the Islanders this year based on your definition of success (scoring lots of goals and points) he became a better player once he left the Isles, but just like McDavid he plays for a team that likes to lose.
 

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BS. He's actually a very good coach. Before Trotz the Islanders would have loved to have had a Tippett coaching their team. He had winning seasons every year with the Stars. Winning seasons most years with the Yotes and winning seasons with the Oilers. If they aren't listening to a coach with that much success what makes you think they will listen to a Torts?
He's sub .500 in the playoffs. Has only been past the first round 3 times. If he was such a good coach why was he unemployed for two years? He very much represents an era of hockey that no longer exists. Lol the Kraken didn't even want him to be their coach, he was a "senior adviser". Dave Tippett is another recycling bin coach that gets tossed around like Lindy Ruff or Todd McLellan. Do you ever notice that most coaches the Oilers turf don't tend to have success anywhere else?

I don't even want Torts. I wanted the Oilers to can Tippett and go after Gallant in the offseason. Of course, because they're always the smartest guys in the room they retained Tippett after two embarrassing playoff losses. Luckily for him he's not going to have to worry about his playoff record getting damaged further this year.

And why not talk about the GM? Was there another team that was going to hire Ken Holland after he turned the Red Wings into a laughingstock? Sure enough most of his moves since his hiring have been mediocre at best and "Darnell Nurse extension" at worst.

Fans of other teams aren't privy to the amount of nonsense that gets spewed by Oiler execs. "Tier 2 fans", "Toby Reider is the reason the Oilers missed the playoffs", "I'm confident in our goaltending".
 

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For what its worth McD defensive effort is much better than Drai (But weirdly enough Drai is very good on the PK.) Backcheck is optional and not recommended.

Drai is a very emotional player and he often disconect when things don't go well. That his way. McD have this flames where when he angry he skate twice as hard even throw some check. He not that successful at it but he got the right mindset.

Of the two, theres a sea of difference between theirs works ethics and while both are way overplayed. I feel you can overplay mcDavid quite a lot and you don't see much of speed impairment. Drai on the contrary have excellent skating but exhausted feel like thick molasses.
 

KeithIsActuallyBad

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Because the Oilers stars are running the show, not Tippett.

It's also difficult to win a 5-game series when your best player pretty much single-handedly loses game 1.
Of course, most of us were screaming at Tippett not to start Mike Smith in game 1, but you know, smartest guy in the room and all that.

When Eberle left the Islanders this year based on your definition of success (scoring lots of goals and points) he became a better player once he left the Isles, but just like McDavid he plays for a team that likes to lose.
He became a more rounded player when he left the Oilers. I don't think that's even open for discussion.

Of course, the Eberle trade just helps prove my point on how bad the Oilers front office is. They turned a top six winger into Strome, who turned into Spooner, who turned into Gagner, who turned into Anthnasiou, who turned into nothing. A perfectly good top six winger which we so desperately need at the moment becomes thin air through the magic powers of Oilers management.
 

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People nitpicked Patrick Kane's "defensive game" as well. Who cares. Look at his frickin totals. The roster poorly constructed. that's all that matters.
 
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