What Draft position would you take now without going into Lottery?

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Hopefully the Haws blow a tire in the first round. Maybe an unfortunate injury occurs or they just have some strong suckage. Make that pick a little bit nicer.

Is 26 vs 30 worth an extra 3rd rd pick?

(I'm assuming the Hawks will win the central now that Hossa is back)
 

Daximus

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Is 26 vs 30 worth an extra 3rd rd pick?

(I'm assuming the Hawks will win the central now that Hossa is back)

Hard to say 2018 is supposed to be looking pretty good right now but its impossible to call from this far out.
 

Coach G

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I'm just a bit wary of 3rd - I'd be afraid of making a mistake by taking Poolparty over PLD and maybe even Chychrun, and that biting us down the road. I'll be at Portage and Main whooping it up if we get Matthews, but I won't be disappointed anywhere else in the top 6... maybe 7.
 

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Before the lottery? Obviously 1st is better than anything but I think Leafs have that locked down. I'd be happy with 2nd last and hope that the lottery gods show us some love

Iirc whoever finishes last still has a 47% chance of picking 4th.

Also, I don't quite understand the question. Why would anyone pick a higher number than the lowest possible?
 

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Well obviously last is the best option, but there is seriously no chance they can out suck the Leafs.

Second worse would guarantee a top 5 pick in a worst case scenario of having some teams with a lower seeding winning all 3 lotteries.
 

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The whole point was late in the first round lists are more likely to be diverging and going different ways, so there's a better chance the same player is still available. I think I'd rather take 30 plus the extra 3rd rd pick over 26 and take my chances.
 

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The whole point was late in the first round lists are more likely to be diverging and going different ways, so there's a better chance the same player is still available. I think I'd rather take 30 plus the extra 3rd rd pick over 26 and take my chances.

If Chicago wins their division then yes but like someone has shown with pick value, I believe it was Garret. If it becomes 24 or any better it could mean the difference between a solid pick and a pure bust. You're unlikely to pull out equal value in the 3rd round of any draft I think.
I have a feeling some team will go off the board mid first and we could get a decent mid faller at that pick.
 

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Absolutely.

Who was the last team to win a cup with out an elite center?

The 03 Devils? Gomez had 55 points in 80 games, followed by Nieuwendyk and Madden.

Since then its been:

Tampa (04) - Lecavalier/Richards
Carolina (06) - Staal
Anaheim (07) - Getzlaf
Detroit (08) - Datsyuk
Pittsburgh (09) - Crosby
Chicago (10) - Toews
Boston (11) - Bergeron
LA (12) - Kopitar
Chicago (13) - Toews
LA (14) - Kopitar
Chicago (15) - Toews


I guess you could argue the 07 Ducks maybe because Getzlaf wasn't their top line C at that time, they still were riding Andy McDonald at almost a point per game...
 

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Yeah I'm not following the question either.
I'll take first.
If not first, why wouldn't I want second?
If not second, why wouldn't I want third?
If not third, why wouldn't I want fourth?
Etc
Etc
Etc
Etc................
 

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The 03 Devils? Gomez had 55 points in 80 games, followed by Nieuwendyk and Madden.

Since then its been:

Tampa (04) - Lecavalier/Richards
Carolina (06) - Staal
Anaheim (07) - Getzlaf
Detroit (08) - Datsyuk
Pittsburgh (09) - Crosby
Chicago (10) - Toews
Boston (11) - Bergeron
LA (12) - Kopitar
Chicago (13) - Toews
LA (14) - Kopitar
Chicago (15) - Toews


I guess you could argue the 07 Ducks maybe because Getzlaf wasn't their top line C at that time, they still were riding Andy McDonald at almost a point per game...

The 03 devils had Broduer and the msot elite trap defence ever though. Not to mention Madden, who was 2nd in Selke voting, stepped up for them in the playoffs and was shutting guys down hard while also putting up some points.
I'd also argue Carolina had 2 elite centers. They had a Selke winning Brind'Amour who was shutting down the opposition all playoffs.
 

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Is 26 vs 30 worth an extra 3rd rd pick?

(I'm assuming the Hawks will win the central now that Hossa is back)

Just throwing out some fun stats I came across.

Myself I am only interested in our first pick and personally would love to see us win that lotto.

http://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-expected-value-of-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819

http://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144


No. 26
Average Rating: 4.21
Best: Zigmund Palffy, Martin Havlat, Cory Schneider
Worst: Nicolas Perreault, Kevin Grimes, Martin Vagner
Ranked 7 or better: 23.8%
Ranked 5 or worse: 52.4%
At least 100 NHL games (or extremely likely): 61.9%

No. 27
Average Rating: 3.90
Best: John Carlson, Scott Gomez, Steve Staios, Boris Mironov
Worst: Ari Ahonen, Philippe Paradis, Mike Morris
Ranked 7 or better: 19.0%
Ranked 5 or worse: 61.9%
At least 100 NHL games (or extremely likely): 61.9%

No. 28
Average Rating: 3.79
Best: Corey Perry, Justin Williams, Matt Niskanen
Worst: Brandy Semchuk, Adian Foster, Jonas Johansson, Nick Petrecki
Ranked 7 or better: 19.0%
Ranked 5 or worse: 61.9%
At least 100 NHL games (or extremely likely): 47.6%

No. 29
Average Rating: 3.57
Best: Niklas Kronwall, Mike Green
Worst: Chris Gotziaman, Brian Wesenberg, Daultan Leveille
Ranked 7 or better: 9.5%
Ranked 5 or worse: 81.0%
At least 100 NHL games (or extremely likely): 42.9%

No. 30
Average Rating: 2.95
Best: Sandis Ozolinsh, Brock Nelson, Simon Despres
Worst: Rod Pasma, Andy Rogers, Nick Ross
Ranked 7 or better: 4.8%
Ranked 5 or worse: 85.7%
At least 100 NHL games (or extremely likely): 38.0%


No. 61-70
Average Rating: 2.46
Best: Brad Richards, David Krejci, David Backes, Kris Letang
Ranked 7 or better: 6.2%
Ranked 5 or worse: 87.6%
At least 100 NHL games (or extremely likely): 33.3%
 

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