What are some of your favorite HF contradictions?

[Homesick]

Draisaitl is both the best and the worst passer in the league.

Draisaitl next contract thread - He is going to get 13m/8 years and Edmonton can't afford it. But xxx team can!
Draisaitl trade thread - he isn't worth much because he's a power play merchant and an average player at best without McDavid

 

[D Wakaluk]

Player A: good stats, 11 mill per year: - great deal, great value
Player B: good stats, 11 mill per year: - over-payment, awful deal

Dude T: We are an elite team, great season for us. Lost 4-3 in the first round. It was a few bounces away, but we could have gone all the way.

Dude E: Good season, went all the way to the finals but lost

Dude T: You suck, didn't win it all

 

[Canadienna]

Some good ones in here. Though I think sometimes it's actually different people espousing the opposing viewpoints, but who are attached by something (nationality/fandom).

 

[Hockey Outsider]

A player you like records a secondary assist - a point is a point!

A player you dislike records a secondary assist - secondary assists are meaningless! They're just statistical noise. Even primary assists are overrated!

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An old player does something difficult (ie Doug Harvey wins seven Norris trophies) - that's proof that they played in a weak era. There's no way something like that could happen today! There's too much talent and parity!

A modern player does something similarly difficult (ie Nicklas Lidstrom wins seven Norris trophies) - that's proof of the player being dominant!

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You can't compare scoring stats from today to the 1980's or early 1990's because the league is much higher scoring. Crosby and Ovechkin, for example, were far more dominant than Yzerman and Messier, despite similar scoring totals. You need to consider the scoring environment!

Hasek has a much higher save percentage than Roy! It's totally valid to compare the save percentage of one goalie who peaked from 1989 to 1992, to the goalie who peaked from 1997 to 1999!

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Sidney Crosby didn't deserve his Conn Smythe in 2016 because a teammate outscored him by 3 points! It's a lifetime achievement award bestowed upon him by the biased Canadian media!

Alex Ovechkin completely deserved his Conn Smythe in 2018! Who cares that a teammate outscored him by 5 points?

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When your favourite player doesn't lead the league in goals (points) etc: No, you can't look at the stats! They're misleading. The only fair and accurate way to evaluate a player is to look at primary points, per 60 minutes of ice time, at even strength, excluding EN situations, on Tuesday night road games.

When your favourite player is leading the league in goals (points) etc: He won the Rocket Richard trophy. LOL haters! Don't use your fancy stats to downplay him.

 

[LightningStorm]

"McDavid is screwed getting drafted by Edmonton! They are such an inept organization that nobody can win there. He would be justified in refusing to play for the Oilers!"

"The arguments for McDavid being better than Crosby are meaningless because Crosby is a much better winner than him."

 

[Edmonton East]

The never ending misunderstanding, misrepresentation, or misapplication of "statistics" and constant contradictions. Probably the most straightforward example:

Many of the same people that endlessly cite numerous possession metrics as the be all end all of hockey simultaneously say faceoffs are 100% irrelevant. How do you get possession after a dead play again?

 

[CupsOverCash]

Win one game:

"Plan the parade. Nothing's stopping us"

Lose one game:

"OK blow it up. Trade everyone"

This is the answer

 

[SnowblindNYR]

"McDavid is screwed getting drafted by Edmonton! They are such an inept organization that nobody can win there. He would be justified in refusing to play for the Oilers!"

"The arguments for McDavid being better than Crosby are meaningless because Crosby is a much better winner than him."

Similar to the Lundqvist arguments.

 

[rogking65]

I guess I should have said multiple MAJOR individual awards. Because multiple major individual awards give you lifetime financial security. The average salary is 3.4 million. The superstars mostly all make200 or 300 percent more. A Stanley cup is not a negotiating tool Players contract is up. No Gm says to agent " your guy won a cup 2 years ago so he is due for a big raise " So when Mcdavid retires he can fly to Aruba on his private jet. Faloon will be flying commercial first class. I am sure mcdavid will trade places with Faloon and his 4 cups
ps..that first statement. Do not understand what you are referring to . I said trade places with a player not trade cups

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Win one game:

"Plan the parade. Nothing's stopping us"

Lose one game:

"OK blow it up. Trade everyone"

That's the GDT's in a nutshell.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

Officiating is definitely rigged .... unless my team gets called for fewer penalties.

 

[El Travo]

As an Avs fan, I always saw the argument that one player only performs at their level because of who they get to play with. Which is fair, but that same argument gets used against every Avalanche player and it becomes a circular argument.

"That player isn't as good as they appear because they get to play with other really good players, but those other players aren't actually as good as they appear because they also get to play with other really good players."

"Leafs are overrated lololololol. They'll compete with Buffalo and Ottawa for a playoff spot"

"Leafs choke again lolololololol"

I don't think that's so much a contradiction as it is people wanting to mess with Leafs fans who think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

"That guy is such a dirtbag. Doesn't even belong in the league. And, no, I wouldn't like him if he was on our team."

Gets traded to "our team".

"Finally we acquire some toughness. Our guys will be playing like they're 10' tall now."

 

[lawrence]

fans who claim they are experts on other teams players, (bull shit)

when in fact they are just youtube and highlite scouts.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

fans who claim they are experts on other teams players, (bull shit)

when in fact they are just youtube and highlite scouts.

Hanging around on other teams' boards reinforces how little I (we?) know about those teams. Conversely ...

"You don't have a clue about player X. Maybe you should try watching the games."

Only watches his own team's games.

 

[Voight]

The JT Miller Trade?

Everyone freaks out when teams trade first round picks or the thought of even trading said pick doesn't seem to fit well with people.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

"Here are some offensive possession metrics to show how good [player on my team] is at defense"

 

[Voight]

In July, player under contract for one more season.

"He's only under contract for one season, no one is giving a top prospect and a 1st for him".

Same player at trade deadline

"He's worth a 1st, 2nd, and top prospect".

/thread

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Take away your best player and your team actually isn't that good

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If your favorite player is amazing/the main driver on a shitty team, he's truly amazing and life's just unfair

If your favorite player is amazing/the main driver on a great team, he's just an overrated passenger

 

[Xirik]

People clicking on a trade proposal thread on a FAN FORUM and then angrily stating that someone "isn't the GM for that team and what they say doesn't matter".

 

[SEALBound]

"An early 2nd is basically a late 1st"

"A late 1st is an early 2nd"

There are jackasses here who might trade the 26th OV for the 34th OV.

 

[heysmilinstrange]

The superstar on my favorite team is incredible and has zero help from his teammates; he's constantly dragging them singlehandedly to victory.

vs.

Why is every player on my favorite team so underrated? The superstar couldn't do what he does without their contributions!

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

A high 2nd is like a late 1st - valuable
A low 1st is like a 2nd - not valuable

"An early 2nd is basically a late 1st"

"A late 1st is an early 2nd"

There are jackasses here who might trade the 26th OV for the 34th OV.

Ooof. I didn’t see this until after I posted the same thing.

 

[Hunter368]

I thought of another one I see often on the main boards:

- Fan base are trading a player, they claim he will return "x" (example 1st rd pick), will arguing for days the player will 100% return a 1st vs other fan bases.

- Player is eventually traded at 50% retention for a late 1st, the original fan base claims they were right and the player returned a 1st like they claimed he was worth while conveniently ignoring the 50% cap hit stipulation.

- Here's the thing with that, while the player returned a 1st, it was at half his current cap hit........so the player didn't in fact return a 1st. The player with 50% of his cap hit reduced returned the 1st. Huge difference between one the fan base claimed vs in reality what happened. I see this situation happen constantly on the main boards trade forum.