What are realistic scoring forward options for the Stars at TDL?

[AveryStar4Eva]

Florida, Detroit, Ottawa, Carolina, New York Rangers, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Chicago, St. Louis, Arizona, and Los Angeles are all to far outside to make a playoff push.

Notable who are rentals or two years left on their contract.

Florida - Hoffman, Dadonov

Detroit - Nyquist

Ottawa - Stone, Duchene, Dzingle

Carolina - Williams, Faulk, Ferland

Rangers - Hayes, Zuccarelo

New Jersey - Hall, Vatanen

Philadelphia - Simmonds

St. Louis - Maroon, Schenn, Pietrangelo

Los Angeles - Toffoli, Muzzin

Could also see Vancouver, Minnesota and Anaheim are all on the bubble. Could see all of them selling. Eric Staal could be a good option.

 

[Smelling Salt]

Dzingel or Nyquist would be good. I'd prefer Dzingel because he's cheaper on the cap this season and I like his age (26) if the Stars retain him.

Having either player would be great but the Stars still need a 2nd line center to make any noise this season and going forward. The dream is Duchesne but that's all it is - a dream.

 

[LT]

Zuccarello's had an underwhelming year, but he's one of my favorite potential acquisitions still.

Duchene and Nyquist would be great as well. If Florida moves Hoffman for some reason, we should be all over him.

 

[Satan]

That's quite a wish list..

Didn’t claim we were getting 2, just want one guy.

 

[Kalamazoo Wings]

My gut tells me Dzingel will be a Star at or before the deadline. By all accounts a great character guy and will be more in the Stars' price range. And he really has room to grow moving forward. He's like a Hoffman lite and may be able to develop to Hoffman's level.

 

[BeaverSports]

Would love to see them get Toffoli, I’ve been a fan of his since his junior days. Any of the Sens would be good and so would Kreider, but I doubt he moves. Eberle would have been a nice fit too, but the Isles are in a race themselves.

 

[Satan]

My gut tells me Dzingel will be a Star at or before the deadline. By all accounts a great character guy and will be more in the Stars' price range. And he really has room to grow moving forward. He's like a Hoffman lite and may be able to develop to Hoffman's level.

Ryan Dzingel is just Devin Shore with top line minutes.

 

[Kalamazoo Wings]

Ryan Dzingel is just Devin Shore with top line minutes.

He obviously does something with his minutes, 17 goals would be leading the team though it's not saying much. If that's all Dzingel is valued as I'd be the first one to flip Shore for him. I think the Stars would be adding though.

 

[Satan]

He obviously does something with his minutes, 17 goals would be leading the team though it's not saying much. If that's all Dzingel is valued as I'd be the first one to flip Shore for him. I think the Stars would be adding though.

Yeah he's definitely finding ways to score goals- likely helped by his individual shooting percentage of >16% last year and this year. 17 goals in under 100 shots is absurd.

 

[Kcb12345]

Out of no where Erik Karlsson is on a 13 game point streak (19 points over that span) and up to 37 points in 42 games and back in the Norris conversation...really wish we could've gotten him. Our top 4 would be just about as good as it gets (assuming we got to keep Heiskanen and Lindell). I suppose theres always the chance he signs here in the off-season but that's incredibly unlikely at this point

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

Out of no where Erik Karlsson is on a 13 game point streak (19 points over that span) and up to 37 points in 42 games and back in the Norris conversation...really wish we could've gotten him. Our top 4 would be just about as good as it gets (assuming we got to keep Heiskanen and Lindell). I suppose theres always the chance he signs here in the off-season but that's incredibly unlikely at this point

Nill wouldn't have been able to retain him in the off-season even if he managed to acquire him in a trade- an act that'd have cost him his only guaranteed blue chip asset. But then again, seeing what Ottawa actually got for him, I wonder whatwhat did Nill offer. DBD reported him peddling Shore and Hintz. Could he have offered more? Did he absolutely not want to part with his 1st rounder- something he and his idiots f*** up on more often than not? I think Nill isn't telling.

 

[JesusNPucks]

Nill wouldn't have been able to retain him in the off-season even if he managed to acquire him in a trade- an act that'd have cost him his only guaranteed blue chip asset. But then again, seeing what Ottawa actually got for him, I wonder whatwhat did Nill offer. DBD reported him peddling Shore and Hintz. Could he have offered more? Did he absolutely not want to part with his 1st rounder- something he and his idiots **** up on more often than not? I think Nill isn't telling.

I read somewhere (reputable) recently — can’t remember where — that it boiled down to Dallas giving their best offer too early and not willing to raise on it at the end. Some people still think Dallas’ offer was better, but this killed the deal at the end. Sorry, wish I had a link handy...

 

[AveryStar4Eva]

Out of no where Erik Karlsson is on a 13 game point streak (19 points over that span) and up to 37 points in 42 games and back in the Norris conversation...really wish we could've gotten him. Our top 4 would be just about as good as it gets (assuming we got to keep Heiskanen and Lindell). I suppose theres always the chance he signs here in the off-season but that's incredibly unlikely at this point

I think the price was just to expensive.

Think the comparable would have been; Hintz, Dellandra, Honka, 2019 1st, 2019 2nd, and Nicklas Caamano.

If we can resign him that’s an easy deal, but for a year that’s basically 2 1st, 2 seconds, 2 throw ins with potential (Honka/Caamano)

 

[M88K]

We don't really have any. Cap limitations even with the little bit of LTIR cushion we have pretty much means we're standing firm with the "deepest/bestest" team ever

 

[serp]

We don't really have any. Cap limitations even with the little bit of LTIR cushion we have pretty much means we're standing firm with the "deepest/bestest" team ever

Methot and/or Hanzal ( Methot is more likely ) shut down for the season and viola there is room.

 

[Troy McClure]

Methot and/or Hanzal ( Methot is more likely ) shut down for the season and viola there is room.

But you can’t make them. Hell, Hanzal is talking about playing again soon. He’s not going on LTIR any time soon.

 

[Starsfansfromqc]

Condra on the PP.. ???

 

[serp]

But you can’t make them. Hell, Hanzal is talking about playing again soon. He’s not going on LTIR any time soon.

Yeah Hanzal will come back that is very likely . But listening to some of Shapiros podcast and him talking about how Stars send Methot to all kinds of specialists fielding no results there's no way Methot comes back to play this year or play a game for the Stars in general again.

I would be more than suprised if Methot wasn't shut down at/ shortly before the deadline.

 

[Troy McClure]

I’d rather them shut him down to free up space if this isn’t getting better.

 

[serp]

By the way i wonder if the Wings make Athanasiou available at the deadline and for what price . He's having a good scoring season.

 

[eartotheground]

By the way i wonder if the Wings make Athanasiou available at the deadline and for what price . He's having a good scoring season.

All I can hear when his name is called is, “happy to see you.”

 

[FirstRowUpperDeck]

On to part 2.....What will Nill offer for a quality forward? If six assets was too much for EK, how many would he give for a youngish, productivish, winger with term? As a rental?

I think the first and maybe second have to be on the table. See no reason why JD, Hintz, Shore, TyD, of any other decent prospect shouldn't be on the table. He hasn't pulled off a value deal since Tyler (well, Methot, but injuries have soured that one) He needs a big honking (or Honka) trade, but it would have been better when Honka had some value.

Our best pieces, Faksa and Lindell probably aren't on the table, but might have to be. Problem is, both are great down the stretch run, but it would seem we have to give up something that hurts a bit.

 

[Kcb12345]

Nill won't trade Dellandrea. That was pretty clear by the reported Erik Karlsson deal breakers (assuming they were true) but he gets wayyy too attached to his draft picks

 

[ZeHockeyFan]

Nill won't trade Dellandrea. That was pretty clear by the reported Erik Karlsson deal breakers (assuming they were true) but he gets wayyy too attached to his draft picks

And his first rounders, which he and his goons seem to not get right in what, 7 out of 8 tries?

 

[BeaverSports]

On to part 2.....What will Nill offer for a quality forward? If six assets was too much for EK, how many would he give for a youngish, productivish, winger with term? As a rental?

I think the first and maybe second have to be on the table. See no reason why JD, Hintz, Shore, TyD, of any other decent prospect shouldn't be on the table. He hasn't pulled off a value deal since Tyler (well, Methot, but injuries have soured that one) He needs a big honking (or Honka) trade, but it would have been better when Honka had some value.

Our best pieces, Faksa and Lindell probably aren't on the table, but might have to be. Problem is, both are great down the stretch run, but it would seem we have to give up something that hurts a bit.

At some point, especially if they're stuck with Hanzal's contract for his role, you could see a bit more willingness to talk Faksa. I would prefer to not move him, but you're right they might have to give up something that hurts a bit if the push is for this year. I don't think Lindell goes anywhere without a massive overpayment. I wonder if Janmark would get any attention instead.

Looking at the roster realistically, I think there's a better shot at finding the pieces the Stars need this season when Spezza and Methot's contracts expire, but it doesn't look like Gaglardi and Lites have the same point of view. So, you've got to look at prospects, picks, and young players. I tend to think that outside of maybe Jason Robertson, I'd move almost any prospect or player other than the core group of Seguin, Benn, Radulov, Klingberg, Lindell, and Heiskanen if the deal was right.