Pre-Game Talk: Week of even more injuries? Please don't ... @CGY / @MIN / TOR

[Ceremony]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read, and if it's been posted elsewhere, I apologize....Dater doesn't know **** about Calvert, so just shut up dude.

Adrian plumbs new depths

What a f***ing moron

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Calvert is another big loss, a much bigger loss than I would of thought coming into the season.

We’re running low on bodies. Where will we turn when the AHL is depleted?

 

[Pokecheque]

Calvert is another big loss, a much bigger loss than I would of thought coming into the season.

We’re running low on bodies. Where will we turn when the AHL is depleted?

 

[Metallo]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read, and if it's been posted elsewhere, I apologize....Dater doesn't know **** about Calvert, so just shut up dude.

Dater, you just entered moron territory.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Adrian plumbs new depths

What a ****ing moron

Yep. What a foolish comment.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

The rule only gives the impression that the refs made the right decision by making it a judgement call. In no absolute way it was the right call. Any injury to the head should warrant a stoppage of play. If you are concerned about guys faking a head injury, change the rule to allow the refs to assess a 2 minute penalty to the player.

 

[Pokecheque]

The rule only gives the impression that the refs made the right decision by making it a judgement call. In no absolute way it was the right call. Any injury to the head should warrant a stoppage of play. If you are concerned about guys faking a head injury, change the rule to allow the refs to assess a 2 minute penalty to the player.

Yep, it absolutely was the wrong call. It says right there in the rule book that if the injury is readily apparent and appears serious that the play MUST be blown dead. I don't understand what a guy getting a puck to the head and bleeding onto the ice appears to some as a "gray area." It's pretty f***ing obvious. Does he need to have a broken bone protruding from his arm or something instead?

 

[Bubba Thudd]

The rule only gives the impression that the refs made the right decision by making it a judgement call. In no absolute way it was the right call. Any injury to the head should warrant a stoppage of play. If you are concerned about guys faking a head injury, change the rule to allow the refs to assess a 2 minute penalty to the player.

I don't know...
I don't want players faking head injuries to get a break when they're in trouble in their own D Zone...
I also don't want players deliberately targeting head shots, so they can get a power play...

 

[Tralfamadore]

These injuries are insane. Surely the Avs are leading the league in man games lost at this point.

 

[Balthazar]

Yep, it absolutely was the wrong call. It says right there in the rule book that if the injury is readily apparent and appears serious that the play MUST be blown dead. I don't understand what a guy getting a puck to the head and bleeding onto the ice appears to some as a "gray area." It's pretty ****ing obvious. Does he need to have a broken bone protruding from his arm or something instead?

I wish people would understand that refs in the heat of the moment don't have access to multi angles and slomo shots like you do on TV. Don't assume that they have seen the puck to the head and the blood before the stoppage. I know it's fun on internet forums to believe that these guys are idiots but they are not.

 

[Metallo]

I don't know...
I don't want players faking head injuries to get a break when they're in trouble in their own D Zone...
I also don't want players deliberately targeting head shots, so they can get a power play...

Faking should be reviewable and subject to fines like diving. Also bleeding is fairly hard to fake unless you are a pro wrestler. The NHL can fix this easily.

If you target the head with a shot I’m pretty sure that you would in line for a long suspension.

 

[UncleRisto]

I wish people would understand that refs in the heat of the moment don't have access to multi angles and slomo shots like you do on TV. Don't assume that they have seen the puck to the head and the blood before the stoppage. I know it's fun on internet forums to believe that these guys are idiots but they are not.

Thank you!

 

[AvsFan29]

Dater, you just entered moron territory.

He lives there

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Gatorbait19]

What's Peter Worrell up to these days?

Interestingly, I saw him at the panthers/rangers game on Saturday. He looks like a person who ate Peter Worrell.

But would that be a better option than Tynan? I’d argue in the affirmative

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Sounds like both Frank and Gru could be available tomorrow, per Bednar.

 

[Pokecheque]

I wish people would understand that refs in the heat of the moment don't have access to multi angles and slomo shots like you do on TV. Don't assume that they have seen the puck to the head and the blood before the stoppage. I know it's fun on internet forums to believe that these guys are idiots but they are not.

They don't need multiple camera angles any more than we did, and we at home could plainly f***ing see that he was hurt, the rule was written in there like it's written in there for a frickin' good reason. It's not that hard to go in quickly and take a look if they thought for a second that he may have been faking it. All refs can move pretty quickly, they wouldn't be NHL refs if they couldn't.

They're not idiots, but they are acting scared, especially after what happened in that Knights/Sharks game. A former ref said in a radio interview that it's ingrained to them to make an error of omission rather than commission. But it's tipped way, way too far now. The thing is that the refs who screwed up were indeed punished, but not in any tangible or concrete sort of way that clears things up, so the refs themselves are still kinda confused as to whether the league has their backs or not.

I'll readily admit that the hesitancy to make that call was understandable...but that's still not an excuse.

 

[Avs_19]

When the next opponent is on a losing streak or coming off of a bad loss: "They'll come out strong. Avs will get crushed."

When the Avs are on a losing streak or coming off of a bad loss: "They suck right now. Avs will get crushed."

 

[Balthazar]

They don't need multiple camera angles any more than we did, and we at home could plainly ****ing see that he was hurt, the rule was written in there like it's written in there for a frickin' good reason. It's not that hard to go in quickly and take a look if they thought for a second that he may have been faking it. All refs can move pretty quickly, they wouldn't be NHL refs if they couldn't.

They're not idiots, but they are acting scared, especially after what happened in that Knights/Sharks game. A former ref said in a radio interview that it's ingrained to them to make an error of omission rather than commission. But it's tipped way, way too far now. The thing is that the refs who screwed up were indeed punished, but not in any tangible or concrete sort of way that clears things up, so the refs themselves are still kinda confused as to whether the league has their backs or not.

I'll readily admit that the hesitancy to make that call was understandable...but that's still not an excuse.

Calvert was moving and trying to get up, exactly like to someone who get hit by a slapshot anywhere except the head. If they didn't see that it was a head shot, from their perspective (not yours) it wasn't serious enough for a stoppage without puck possession. It's not like he was lying unconscious.

Had the refs seen that he's got a puck to the head and there was blood THEN DECIDED it wasn't serious enough for a stoppage then yeah, that'd be a problem. Until we know for a fact that's what happened (which I don't believe) then we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

The way to fix that is to stop when someone is hurt but punish heavily fakers and embellishers. I'm talking really heavy fines and other team consequences that could affect the rankings.

 

[Pokecheque]

Calvert was moving and trying to get up, exactly like to someone who get hit by a slapshot anywhere except the head. If they didn't see that it was a head shot, from their perspective (not yours) it wasn't serious enough for a stoppage without puck possession. It's not like he was lying unconscious.

Had the refs seen that he's got a puck to the head and there was blood THEN DECIDED it wasn't serious enough for a stoppage then yeah, that'd be a problem. Until we know for a fact that's what happened (which I don't believe) then we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

The way to fix that is to stop when someone is hurt but punish heavily fakers and embellishers. I'm talking really heavy fines and other team consequences that could affect the rankings.

I agree, throw the damned book at anyone who dares embellish in a situation like that.

But PEB was pretty blunt in the postgame--it's highly, highly unlikely you'll find a player who's just going to writhe around on the ground to try and get a call instead of help out his team in a crucial situation like that. I just don't think you'll find it to be that big a problem with a clarification of the rule that's already in there. The refs just want the league to have their backs if they do indeed make a call like that.

 

[Balthazar]

I agree, throw the damned book at anyone who dares embellish in a situation like that.

But PEB was pretty blunt in the postgame--it's highly, highly unlikely you'll find a player who's just going to writhe around on the ground to try and get a call instead of help out his team in a crucial situation like that. I just don't think you'll find it to be that big a problem with a clarification of the rule that's already in there. The refs just want the league to have their backs if they do indeed make a call like that.

I fully agree that refs walk on egg shells which is why I refuse to blame them most of the time. In this particular instance though, they more than likely just didn't see it.

In an alternate universe where Calvert is indeed faking an injury and they blow the whistle, Vancouver is losing 4-2. The consequences are huge here: at least one point, perhaps two. It's not as black and white as it seems.

 

[Foppa Frossa]

 

[The Kingslayer]

When the next opponent is on a losing streak or coming off of a bad loss: "They'll come out strong. Avs will get crushed."

When the Avs are on a losing streak or coming off of a bad loss: "They suck right now. Avs will get crushed."

Never know which team is gonna show up. Im not going to even be mad if they lose right now just give me effort. The Avs have every right to use injuries as an excuse right now.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Good choice. He deserves it. Against a slower team like Calgary the Avs need speed and great forechecking. Two things LOC can provide in spade.

 

[Pokecheque]

Good choice. He deserves it. Against a slower team like Calgary the Avs need speed and great forechecking. Two things LOC can provide in spade.

If he knocked the mustache off of Bennett I'd be all for keeping him in Colorado for the rest of his life.