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No! We got chances for Kaapo Kakko. He got four K's!
We have to trade for Nylander
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We're not winning the lottery from the low double digits two years in a row.
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This is defeatist talk.
The Canes don't even win talk, so that seems reasonable.
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TheBigKahuna
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I'll be happy when the drama is over. I hope we don't overpay for him....although I'm doubtful we are even in the running.
Some GM is likely to severely overpay.
Hopefully Waddell got that out of his system .
Some GM is likely to severely overpay.
Hopefully Waddell got that out of his system .
DaveG
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I mean, of course.
I'd say trading Pesce for him would be giving up something of substance. Ideally would like to be able to do something around Faulk+ but not sure he's the best fit for you guys. Of course, given Pesce's contract and Nylander's ask then straight up is a fair deal.
Is Nylander the better player? that's probably a yes. 3 million+ per year better? Absolutely not, not even close.
Someone put it well on the MB. Nylander is a better player than he is an asset. Pesce is a better asset than he is a player.
Spirit of 67
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I really don't see the Leafs trading Nylander simply to get what they can for him. I think they'll let him sit rather than giving him away.
In otherwords, there will be no Hall for Larsson trade.
Keeping in mind that this is much bigger than just Nylander for the Leafs.
And that's why I hope Carolina, or someone else, gives him an offer sheet for 5 years for $4oM close to the December 1 deadline. If Toronto won't pay him what he's worth, then they can take the league-mandated value for him.
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The team would be way better right now with Nylander rather than Pesce. Pesce is great, and on a great contract, but Faulk/Hamilton are plenty good, and Fleury stepping in is absolutely fine, with McKeown seemingly playing really well in the AHL in that same mold.
Meanwhile, Wallmark, McGinn, and Foegele are not fine. Foegele is struggling very mightily, and he still has the same number of goals as Wallmark and McGinn combined. No matter where you slide Nylander in, it's a really big upgrade for the top 9 in both goal scoring and playmaking.
Meanwhile, Wallmark, McGinn, and Foegele are not fine. Foegele is struggling very mightily, and he still has the same number of goals as Wallmark and McGinn combined. No matter where you slide Nylander in, it's a really big upgrade for the top 9 in both goal scoring and playmaking.
For me, that's not the value I'm trying to assess. Which is more valuable to Carolina?
2019 1st, 2019 2nd, 2019 3rd, and Nylander signed for a 6th and 7th (potentially even 8th) year at a lower cap hit?
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Pesce, and Nylander signed for only 5 years at a higher cap hit.
Carolina has the cap space for Nylander and Aho. Aho will be using Draisaitl as a benchmark either way.
If Toronto is demanding add-ons to Pesce, that only tilts the decision more toward the offer sheet.
Mose
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I saw the perfect counter to this elsewhere. Trading Pesce means lowering Slavin's performance. Because after 16 games together, it is fair to say that Hamilton detracts from Slavin--who is a team worst -10.
Hamilton is a good goal-scoring defenseman. He is only slightly above average at producing assists. A dozen goals, which would be offset by a playmaking forward, is not worth having a top-of-the-league defenseman turn into an average 1st pairing defenseman. At this point the evidence points toward Slavin being the latter with Hamilton.
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So... are you one of hockeyfan5567's two followers?
zman77
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If they don't have a check mark next to their name, they are as credible as the TML fans on HFBoards.
zman77
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Not saying it's a reliable source, but which do people here value more?
Pesce+Roy
2019 1st, 2019 2nd, 2019 3rd
I'd give up the picks and keep Pesce and Roy
Spirit of 67
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If you're preparing an offer sheet, he's effectively a UFA. You need to sign him for what he's willing to sign for and enough to keep Toronto from matching.
UFAs rarely sign for what they are "worth".
