OT: Washington Redskins 2019 Season Thread Vol 4: Regular Season Edition

[ynotcaps]

He's absolutely a project and we are not a team that can handle a project.

This is a team that needs to draft can't-miss players and nothing else.

Exactly right. And QB are the most easily missed picks of them all. A team with little quality and NO depth can't afford to spend back-to-back top picks -- including one that's likely top 5 OA -- on a position where only one guy can play at a time. See "Cardinals, Arizona."

There's no QB in next year's draft that walks in the door, takes the ball, and makes this team good. The best they can hope for is a top-3 pick with this year's QB crop staying healthy and looking good -- then trade the pick for as many draft assets as they can get -- including the replacing the #2 they spent to get Sweat this year.

In other words, reverse the trade they made in '10 for their last "can't miss" QB prospect (though there's no way to completely reverse it, because there's currently no regime in the NFL that's is as stupid as ours was back then -- and remains today.)

 

[ynotcaps]

You usually dont draft 2 QBs in the first round back to back years, or close to back to back years.

But the opportunity and a really good chance to draft Trevor Lawrence after this year or next is too great as many consider him a "generational" QB. He totally dismantled that vaunted Alabama defense.

Of course our current coaching staff should be gone before ever touching him.

Andrew Luck was the last generational QB. He was destroyed by a team that could never protect him and his career ended well before anybody imagined it would, with little to show.

The Colts are not a strong organization. But the Redskins are a horrific organization. If there is one franchise in football that is almost guaranteed to turn gold into lead, it's this one.

If you care about Trevor Lawrence as a human being, you hope he goes anywhere but here.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Logged onto Twitter just now and saw that "Kirk Cousins" was trending so decided to have a look...

For all of us Skins fans — this is SO “misery loves company”

Our rot spreads eternal

 

[leeroggy]

You usually dont draft 2 QBs in the first round back to back years, or close to back to back years.

But the opportunity and a really good chance to draft Trevor Lawrence after this year or next is too great as many consider him a "generational" QB. He totally dismantled that vaunted Alabama defense.

Of course our current coaching staff should be gone before ever touching him.

Lawrence is not eligible for the 2020 draft.

 

[tenken00]

Lawrence is not eligible for the 2020 draft.

Ah yes you are right. I see now that his junior year is next year. Which makes it even more amazing at what he already has accomplished while so young.

 

[Cush]

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

What a mess. I think this is worse than Cleveland bad. Everything is toxic there. Everybody from the top down needs to go.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Andrew Luck was the last generational QB. He was destroyed by a team that could never protect him and his career ended well before anybody imagined it would, with little to show.

The Colts are not a strong organization. But the Redskins are a horrific organization. If there is one franchise in football that is almost guaranteed to turn gold into lead, it's this one.

If you care about Trevor Lawrence as a human being, you hope he goes anywhere but here.

For the good of the sport of football, Lawrence has to go anywhere but here.

 

[robertmac43]

I want Haskins to succeed so bad, I'm worried we are never going to put him in the right space to do so though.

 

[Bananas]

In football, you fix GM, coach and QB and everything flows from there. All the other positions in an organization are basically pointless until you’re set - up top. If, for whatever reason, you’ve got a great GM and coach combo and you run into trouble finding a QB, by all means draft lineman on both sides of the ball. That way you’re prepped and ready to go for the incoming QB that you’re leaving no stone left unturned to find.

The Skins should absolutely tank, trade away assets and let the next alpha (whether it’s the coach or the GM) decide the fate of Haskins and the rest. A number one overall pick is a huge asset to build around, if they opt for keeping Haskins they can trade down and make hay also. It’s a win-win.

Unfortunately, fixing GM and coach is a problem that The Man with the Micro Penis can’t solve. It’s clearly above his pay grade, figuratively speaking. So, everything, when it comes to the Monikers, is a moot point.

 

[g00n]

Last week some national radio host echoed something discussed here a few years ago: the NFL is set up to favor offense and QBs in particular now, which is why you see so many backups succeeding and so many rookies just stepping in and doing fairly well (as opposed to 20-30 years ago when you expected to lose all year with a rookie, and you "developed" quarterbacks as a rule). I would add the blending of pro and college offenses has contributed, as has the general preparation process.

Point being there have been some young and unheralded QBs that have done well in recent years while there are few real legends left in the game. You really don't need a great QB to compete anymore. You may do better with a Pro Bowl quality QB deep in the playoffs but just changing QBs will not automatically change your franchise beyond a honeymoon period, unless the QB is clearly the major problem.

It's the reverse of what it used to be which is bad news for the Skins. Their problems are systematic and extend throughout the organization. They are the post-expansion Browns with arrogant corporate entitlement instead of the middle-American underdog charm.

 

[g00n]

Kirk Cousins is the problem in Minnesota, and Adam Thielen knows it

Ouch.

(warning, yahoo autoplay vid at the top of the article)

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[Corby78]

Kirk Cousins is the problem in Minnesota, and Adam Thielen knows it

Ouch.

(warning, yahoo autoplay vid at the top of the article)

At least we got that one right.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

 

[Beef Invictus]

At least we got that one right.

Considering he's a massive upgrade for us and we could have had him for cheap, no, we did not.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Oh and I can't help but notice that nobody has lost their jobs.


So that would indicate a tank. Except...we aren't. God these people are stupid

 

[marcel snapshot]

Right - if you're tanking, why would you fire Jay or Allen. Failure has proven to be their core competency.

 

[Corby78]

Considering he's a massive upgrade for us and we could have had him for cheap, no, we did not.

The way he is playing in Minnesota I’m not sure he is.

 

[Corby78]

Oh and I can't help but notice that nobody has lost their jobs.


So that would indicate a tank. Except...we aren't. God these people are stupid

Keeping jay is the best thing for tanking. Bringing in somebody else might accidentally win us some games.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Right - if you're tanking, why would you fire Jay or Allen. Failure has proven to be their core competency.

However, Allen won't do anything to set up the future while tanking.

So at minimum he has to be gone. It should start with him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The way he is playing in Minnesota I’m not sure he is.

Have you not seen Keenum?

 

[Corby78]

Have you not seen Keenum?

Unfortunately I have. I feel like we’re staring at two dog turds and debating which one stinks more.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

Lawrence is not eligible for the 2020 draft.

Things can change quick in college football.



They are talking about Justin Fields at Ohio State.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

The way he is playing in Minnesota I’m not sure he is.

The true comparison is Cousins play in Gruden's offense to Alex Smith's play in Gruden's offense because Smith got the 20mil contract the Skins wouldn't resign Cousins to in '15.