Lunatik
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He already provided 3 examples.He’s just talking **** cause it probably makes him feel like a big man.
He already provided 3 examples.He’s just talking **** cause it probably makes him feel like a big man.
Last time I saw Leafs fans' evaluating the value of Nylander, it ended up being Pastrnak + McAvoy ++ . So yeah...
Cool story.
Source? I’d love to see who said that so I can avoid their evaluations in the future.
This sounds made up, show your work.
He already provided 3 examples.
He literally posted a few minutes before I responded to the other guy. And I was just being a pain in the ass about the “being a big man stuff”. But those were some pretty brutal trade requests. Pasta+mccavoy++ is ridiculous.He already provided 3 examples.
Really wow.Wait wait wait, Tkachuk is the same quality of player to be worth a 1 for 1 but won't cost as much to sign? Logically, in what world would that be?
What you think you can get Tkachuk for 3 million dollars?
Really wow.
Tkachuk will probably sign for 6 mil
Nylander will probably sign for 8.5 mil
Hopefully that clears it up for you.
Really wow.
Tkachuk will probably sign for 6 mil
Nylander will probably sign for 8.5 mil
Hopefully that clears it up for you.
First one you posted was Pastrnak or Mcavoy, not both.Yes they do. I provided 3 examples.
I only included the first one because even Pasta+ or McAvoy+ is not reasonable. Pasta and Nylander were taken in the same draft, they are of a similar skill-set, and Pasta has more points to date. So that should be a wash. McAvoy has quite a future ahead of him. Even though he is still young, McAvoy+ should be landing players of much higher caliber than Nylander.First one you posted was Pastrnak or Mcavoy, not both.
The second example was in a thread where both sides were slinging **** the entire time, wouldn't take that too seriously. Should we take the Nylander for Spooner seriously? Or Spooner and McQuiad for Matthews? As those were all said too.
Third was obviously overexaggerating to prove a point (I.e. Nylander isn't available).
Guess i might as well put a little context into this pissing contest. The bolded may be correct now, but you are talking about a post made in a rhread started in July of 2017.....so that means the statement "it would take MacAvoy+" means Nylander coming off a 81 game 61 point rookie season for MacAvoy with 6 whole NHL games under his belt. As for the Pasta statement, they were pretty close in production...but Pasta would hold more value as a winger...but it gets a little closer when Nylander's center potential is added.I only included the first one because even Pasta+ or McAvoy+ is not reasonable. Pasta and Nylander were taken in the same draft, they are of a similar skill-set, and Pasta has more points to date. So that should be a wash. McAvoy has quite a future ahead of him. Even though he is still young, McAvoy+ should be landing players of much higher caliber than Nylander.
As for the other examples, the trade(s) is/are of course not happening and neither of players are available. We simply share the opinions of how player values compare. And the point of my comment was that some Leafs fans are so overprotective of Nylander, that the "equivalent" value would be Pasta + McAvoy ++. Therefore, implying that Tkachuk for Nylander discussion will not end well
McAvoy was thrown into 6 playoff games without any prior pro experience. And he absolutely dominated while being second in time on ice after Chara. You can kind of see how fans could get somewhat excited about him.Guess i might as well put a little context into this pissing contest. The bolded may be correct now, but you are talking about a post made in a rhread started in July of 2017.....so that means the statement "it would take MacAvoy+" means Nylander coming off a 81 game 61 point rookie season for MacAvoy with 6 whole NHL games under his belt. As for the Pasta statement, they were pretty close in production...but Pasta would hold more value as a winger...but it gets a little closer when Nylander's center potential is added.
Of course...much like we were excited about Nylander's 81 games that season.McAvoy was thrown into 6 playoff games without any prior pro experience. And he absolutely dominated while being second in time on ice after Chara. You can kind of see how fans could get somewhat excited about him.
First one you posted was Pastrnak or Mcavoy, not both.
The second example was in a thread where both sides were slinging **** the entire time, wouldn't take that too seriously. Should we take the Nylander for Spooner seriously? Or Spooner and McQuiad for Matthews? As those were all said too.
Third was obviously overexaggerating to prove a point (I.e. Nylander isn't available).
McAvoy was thrown into 6 playoff games without any prior pro experience. And he absolutely dominated while being second in time on ice after Chara. You can kind of see how fans could get somewhat excited about him.
At the time of that post Mcavoy had only played 7 or so games in the NHL. He was far from a sure thing or proven at the NHL level so I don't think a plus on McAvoy was unreasonable at all.I only included the first one because even Pasta+ or McAvoy+ is not reasonable. Pasta and Nylander were taken in the same draft, they are of a similar skill-set, and Pasta has more points to date. So that should be a wash. McAvoy has quite a future ahead of him. Even though he is still young, McAvoy+ should be landing players of much higher caliber than Nylander.
As for the other examples, the trade(s) is/are of course not happening and neither of players are available. We simply share the opinions of how player values compare. And the point of my comment was that some Leafs fans are so overprotective of Nylander, that the "equivalent" value would be Pasta + McAvoy ++. Therefore, implying that Tkachuk for Nylander discussion will not end well
At the time of those threads McAvoy had hardly played in the NHL while Nylander just put up a 60 point rookie season against extremely high QoC. A plus wasn't too crazy considering that.IDK. If you browse (more broadly) through those threads there were plenty of "McAvoy ++ and we might take it into consideration", "McAvoy not a top pair", "Starts with McAvoy + a huge add". Of course, there was "JVR/Bozak for top 4" type threads, etc. (e.g., a bit of amnesia about our Kessel Sweepstakes threads).
You probably enjoyed the McAvoy to Luke Schenn parallels.
Of course they were a small minority.At the time of that post Mcavoy had only played 7 or so games in the NHL. He was far from a sure thing or proven at the NHL level so I don't think a plus on McAvoy was unreasonable at all.
Agreed on Pastrnk, they are pretty much a wash. Pasta has produced more (albeit with extremely good linemates) while Nylander most likely ends up playing a more important position. Close enough
I just think that the people you quoted were either exaggerating to prove a point or were in an extremely small minority. Leaf fans obviously don't think Nylander is worth Pastrnak++ let alone the plus being a highly touted young defender.
Saying things like you did in the original reply I made just stokes the fire and starts a pissing match.
Did anyone else read this as a William Shatner read poem?Being a Leafs fan.
To me nobody adds
Both players bring entangibles that win games.
Tkachuk is something we don't have..
Tkachuk Mathews marner
Jvr Kadri kapanen
Hyman Bozak brown
Johnson Marleau grundstrom
Making this trade would allow us to sign jvr and Bozak.
Would also give us a player that we have needed.
Tkachuk won't cost as much to sign
At the time of that post Mcavoy had only played 7 or so games in the NHL. He was far from a sure thing
At the time of those threads McAvoy had hardly played in the NHL while Nylander just put up a 60 point rookie season against extremely high QoC. A plus wasn't too crazy considering that.
Of course they were a small minority.