VOYNOV update?

[BallPointHammer]

The honorable thing for the Kings to do is take the high road, let him go as a UFA, and if another NHL team takes a chance on him, then so be it. No compensation required. Kings out of the story. When his suspension is lifted, NHL out of the the story. Let the Voynov family live out their future with as clean a slate as possible.

 

[BigKing]

It's almost like I said Blake wouldn't touch him at this point.

The ship sailed. This is a team looking to get younger and rebuild a culture. They will not be good next season.

They would have dealt with any PR issues when they were pushing for more Cups. Where the Kings are in their contention time frame, he isn't worth it in their eyes. Really can't blame them either.

I fully believe he should be allowed to play again and have never wavered from that. I think the suspension is still too long seeing as they basically sat him last season as well. That being said, I have zero issue with the Kings moving on.

As a matter of fact, I don't think he'd want to come back here anyways and be back in a room with so many guys he let down in a major way. Just get a fresh start.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's almost like I said Blake wouldn't touch him at this point.

The ship sailed. This is a team looking to get younger and rebuild a culture. They will not be good next season.

They would have dealt with any PR issues when they were pushing for more Cups. Where the Kings are in their contention time frame, he isn't worth it in their eyes. Really can't blame them either.

I fully believe he should be allowed to play again and have never wavered from that. I think the suspension is still too long seeing as they basically sat him last season as well. That being said, I have zero issue with the Kings moving on.

As a matter of fact, I don't think he'd want to come back here anyways and be back in a room with so many guys he let down in a major way. Just get a fresh start.

Yep. Almost 5 full years. That's an eternity in sports. Lots of player turnover, it's not the same team or situation, no point in square-peg-round-holing it. 3 years ago? Pull that trigger. But now?

 

[DoktorJeep]

Looks like the timeline for VVs return is what I guessed it could be.

I’d be surprised if the Kings did anything quickly here or even during the whole offseason. I could see the sense in publicly ignoring the player basically exists until the suspension is served. At that point, a bunch of other moves have played out, and you deal with the situation when the players services are actually available.

Unless I’m missing something, Voynov will be back just before next years trade deadline. What I’d love to know is if it’s confirmed the Kings hold his rights up to the point he is eligible to return and whether he is legally permitted to work.

If all that is the case, then a TDL frenzied market could seriously inflate VVs trade value and you could get a return close to what Muzzin got.

The other thing I would like to know is whether VV is allowed to practice with an NHl or AHL team? In fact, could he even sign an AHL contract to play next season?

It’s a fascinating situation but a sad indictment of our franchise at the same time.

My guess is the suspension gets knocked down to 20 games. And assuming VV gets permission to work in US/CA, then he’ll probably play again in early 2020.

According to LAKI, as of a couple weeks ago, the Kings still own his rights. Not sure if that is accurate or for how long.

Since he’s been gone so long, it’s tough to know if he’s still an nhl regular, but it’s probably a safe bet for at least one to two years.

So then you look at the Kings NHL depth chart and try to see how he slots in at RHD.

Doughty
Martinez
Walker
Roy
LaDue
MacDermid

So that’s a pretty long list, however, he would probably rank third, at least, given the lack of experience in the remaining group.

So there is a reasonable chance he could make this roster next year if he was at camp. By the time he is available and if the Kings still hold his rights, that depth chart might not have changed much.

So looking down the road, I think VV’s return could happen, but only if possible and if the Kings are repeating a performance like last season. If things are positive around the team, I don’t think they risk disrupting things for a tarnished asset. But if things are bad, then every asset will need to count in order to keep digging out of the hole.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Voynov isn’t getting a Muzzin like return. That’s a pipe dream.

 

[BigKing]

There will be no trade frenzy. He hasn't played in the NHL for five years and there are questions about how good he is anymore, nevermind the baggage.

I've changed my mind: Blake will give him 3 years/$6MM.

 

[Butch 19]

Voynov isn’t getting a Muzzin like return. That’s a pipe dream.

So why not just resign him?

The Kings still need his talent.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So why not just resign him?

The Kings still need his talent.

The Kings came out and said he won't be playing for them. The Kings may need his talent, but they're moving on from Voynov.

 

[Butch 19]

It's almost like I said Blake wouldn't touch him at this point.

The ship sailed. This is a team looking to get younger and rebuild a culture. They will not be good next season.

They would have dealt with any PR issues when they were pushing for more Cups. Where the Kings are in their contention time frame, he isn't worth it in their eyes. Really can't blame them either.

I fully believe he should be allowed to play again and have never wavered from that. I think the suspension is still too long seeing as they basically sat him last season as well. That being said, I have zero issue with the Kings moving on.

As a matter of fact, I don't think he'd want to come back here anyways and be back in a room with so many guys he let down in a major way. Just get a fresh start.

oh please, LOL. As if he knew any of this was about to happen and he planned the whole thing...

He still has top-end talent.

Bring him back.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Voynov isn’t getting a Muzzin like return. That’s a pipe dream.

Probably not, but we'll see how desperate teams are for a d-man at the deadline when he should be back assuming of course the Kings still have rights to him.

 

[kings11]

Probably not, but we'll see how desperate teams are for a d-man at the deadline when he should be back assuming of course the Kings still have rights to him.

He’s not getting a Muzzin type return but a top 4 RHD is worth something to someone...
Florida will likely be a good start, as would TBL..
If I’m Blake, I’m targeting Florida and their 13th pick+ for a package of Toffoli, Voynov and 22OA

 

[Bandit]

The Kings released an official statement saying Voynov won't be back with the team, how much more do some of you need to move on?

 

[tny760]

Decision upheld but ruled he already served half his suspension.

I mean, I'm not okay with anyone getting a slap on the wrist for domestic violence, but it certainly seems like they're only laying down the hammer on the Russian while levying a lesser punishment towards North Americans.

typical double standards at work, mixed with the NHL wheel of justice

no real surprise here, though i do find it absolutely pathetic that blake comes right out and says he's not going to be a king.. way to lay your f***in hand out on the table when you could use it as a bargaining chip later

 

[TruKingFan]

If both VV and the Kings dont want anything to do with each other, then so be it. He would have immediately upgraded our top 4 - no one can deny that. You all are moaning and groaning about how bad the Kings are on D but pass on VV. Makes no sense.

 

[Bandit]

typical double standards at work, mixed with the NHL wheel of justice

no real surprise here, though i do find it absolutely pathetic that blake comes right out and says he's not going to be a king.. way to lay your ****in hand out on the table when you could use it as a bargaining chip later

I'll be the first to say Bowlby hasn't impressed me much, but this likely was not his decision to make.

 

[onlyalad]

Now that the Kings have announced they won’t sign him, does he have any trade value?
Why not place him on unconditional waivers and make him a UFA? Just really close the book on him

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

From the Hockey News:

"One GM who said he won’t be pursuing Voynov because he wouldn’t be a good fit on his roster said he would be willing to take a closer look at the situation if he felt Voynov could help his team. “I mean, we all make mistakes, and this is a really big one,” he said. “But people get second chances in all walks of life. I don’t know all the facts, but if he’s been consistently keeping out of trouble and he’s done all the counseling, why wouldn’t you look at it?"

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

One NHL GM suggested that while Voynov’s history could create a toxic environment for any team willing to bring him back, “somebody” might be willing to take a chance anyway. Another GM warned that if a team genuinely believed Voynov could return and play at the same high level he did in 2014, when he was a 23-minute-per-night player in the Kings’ 26-game run to the Stanley Cup championship, they are probably deluding themselves. A third NHL executive texted: “It could be pretty dicey.”

 

[redcard]

The Kings released an official statement saying Voynov won't be back with the team, how much more do some of you need to move on?

My ex threw the ring back at my face, had me arrested for stalking, and slapped me with a restraining order 7 years ago.

But here I am sitting in her tree in a squirrel costume.

 

[johnjm22]

I doubt he has much trade value if any. If the Kings are able to trade him it will most likely be for a conditional pick.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Mid to late conditional pick will be his value, and I'm fine with that. It's long past time to move on

 

[deeshamrock]

From the Hockey News:

"One GM who said he won’t be pursuing Voynov because he wouldn’t be a good fit on his roster said he would be willing to take a closer look at the situation if he felt Voynov could help his team. “I mean, we all make mistakes, and this is a really big one,” he said. “But people get second chances in all walks of life. I don’t know all the facts, but if he’s been consistently keeping out of trouble and he’s done all the counseling, why wouldn’t you look at it?"

Also from that same article;

TheHockeyNews.com reached out to executives of 10 NHL teams and only one indicated he would even consider trading for Voynov’s rights.
“I have a wife and daughters,” one GM said. “It would be really hard to justify that to them. He’s a good player and we’re all human and we make mistakes. But I just couldn’t see myself getting involved in that one.”

And that's why most teams won't consider him. Because those players that he'd have to share a locker room. they have wives and girlfriends. I don't think any team will trade for him. Not to ,mention the fanbase of that city and the issues that would create.

 

[kingsboy11]

Considering that a good portion of the team were former teammates of him, many of whom are now married, it would be extremely awkward to suddenly bring him back into fold into an already toxic locker room. Its best just to move on and its just not worth it anymore given the status of the team.

 

[kings11]

Also from that same article;

TheHockeyNews.com reached out to executives of 10 NHL teams and only one indicated he would even consider trading for Voynov’s rights.
“I have a wife and daughters,” one GM said. “It would be really hard to justify that to them. He’s a good player and we’re all human and we make mistakes. But I just couldn’t see myself getting involved in that one.”

And that's why most teams won't consider him. Because those players that he'd have to share a locker room. they have wives and girlfriends. I don't think any team will trade for him. Not to ,mention the fanbase of that city and the issues that would create.

That’s all BS, “if” the Kings were to hold onto him and not waive him... I guarantee you that come the TDL those same teams would turn a blind eye towards public perception for the sake of winning.. as would those fans.. sad but true

 

[Arto Kilponen]

In my opinion NHL shouldn't separately punish him, especially not with suspension. The case had nothing to do with ice hockey so the penalty shouldn't have anything to do with ice hockey.