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Hey, I know we have a thread on this. but I'm genuinely interested in where Wings fans stand on this. So here's a poll.
I hope Babcock will be available at that timeI voted give him until the end of the season. That way we can explore a wider range of available coaches in the offseason instead of promoting Bylsma in the interim who may be even worse.
Blashill gets credit for that?notice that all of larks-mantha-tuzzi-hronek have recently become rock solid nhlers with blash behind the bench
Blashill gets credit for that?
So then is it his fault for all the prospects that washed out during his tenure?
do you notice the gunsmoke line shooting up the rink , having become a top 20 nhl line . and then that line with hronek on the pp becoming a dominant unit . that doesnt happen by luck . and that doesnt happen with a lost coach . i know the spoiled wing fan brats are needing to throw tantrums and cry about ever imperfect occurence in every redwing game (maybe start drinking your beer in baby bottles) and blame somebody for a bad team , but in reality every knowledgable hockey person on earth said pre season wings roster adds up to the very bottom of nhl standings and there isnt one thing any coach on earth can do with that defense and those bottom 8 forwards . and blash has nothing to do with that . and im not saying hes a great coach , thats not known yet because has never had a roster . im saying fans have no business blaming him for a bad record when he doesnt have the talent .Blashill gets credit for that?
So then is it his fault for all the prospects that washed out during his tenure?
do you notice the gunsmoke line shooting up the rink , having become a top 20 nhl line . and then that line with hronek on the pp becoming a dominant unit . that doesnt happen by luck . and that doesnt happen with a lost coach . i know the spoiled wing fan brats are needing to throw tantrums and cry about ever imperfect occurence in every redwing game (maybe start drinking your beer in baby bottles) and blame somebody for a bad team , but in reality every knowledgable hockey person on earth said pre season wings roster adds up to the very bottom of nhl standings and there isnt one thing any coach on earth can do with that defense and those bottom 8 forwards . and blash has nothing to do with that . and im not saying hes a great coach , thats not known yet because has never had a roster . im saying fans have no business blaming him for a bad record when he doesnt have the talent .
I actually do think Blashill makes that forward group look a lot worse than it is
Nielsen,Filppula,Abdelkader,Helm,Hirose,Erne,Perlini,Svechnikov,Glendening,De La Rose,Ehn honestly isn't anywhere near as bad a forward group for the 5-12 slots in a lineup on paper as Blashill makes them look in reality
So in between your personal attacks, appeal to authority fallacy and rants about the roster, you didn't really address the question.do you notice the gunsmoke line shooting up the rink , having become a top 20 nhl line . and then that line with hronek on the pp becoming a dominant unit . that doesnt happen by luck . and that doesnt happen with a lost coach . i know the spoiled wing fan brats are needing to throw tantrums and cry about ever imperfect occurence in every redwing game (maybe start drinking your beer in baby bottles) and blame somebody for a bad team , but in reality every knowledgable hockey person on earth said pre season wings roster adds up to the very bottom of nhl standings and there isnt one thing any coach on earth can do with that defense and those bottom 8 forwards . and blash has nothing to do with that . and im not saying hes a great coach , thats not known yet because has never had a roster . im saying fans have no business blaming him for a bad record when he doesnt have the talent .
Why put the cut off there though? Many of those players were coached by Blashill in the AHL, which to me seems an even more crucial time in their development as they try and make the jump to the NHL.It depends how you're defining all of the different prospects. Jurco, Sheahan, and Pulkkinen weren't under Blashill's headcoaching umbrella until Blashill's first year in Detroit. at that point, they'd spent a couple of full years in Detroit under Babcock, despite not playing much. I'd have to go back and look at Marchenko/Sproul/XO.
Since it's not an argument I desperately care about, I tend to put the cut off as guys who saw their first significant chunk of games under his coaching in Detroit.
thats cute , you make personal attacks on blashill every day but somebody countering your opinion is in the wrong .So in between your personal attacks, appeal to authority fallacy and rants about the roster, you didn't really address the question.
But based on this post from you I'm not terribly interested in the answer. You're giving Blashill way too much credit for a few successful prospects.
Uhh, what?thats cute , you make personal attacks on blashill every day but somebody countering your opinion is in the wrong .
It is not cherry picking.Why put the cut off there though? Many of those players were coached by Blashill in the AHL, which to me seems an even more crucial time in their development as they try and make the jump to the NHL.
I'm not saying he didn't have some role in developing players but I think it's ridiculous to cherry pick the teams best young players and credit that to Blash.
Why put the cut off there though? Many of those players were coached by Blashill in the AHL, which to me seems an even more crucial time in their development as they try and make the jump to the NHL.
I'm not saying he didn't have some role in developing players but I think it's ridiculous to cherry pick the teams best young players and credit that to Blash.
Someone new to the NHL. I'm tired of the old boys club only sticking with coaches who have coaches in the NHL before. I'd like a new voice. Rikard Gronborg, Sheldon Keefe, or Todd Nelson.I guess the million dollar question is who do you replace Blashill with lets say at the end of the year?
Where they played much better relative to their NHL careers. Pulkinen had 61 points in 46 games under Blashill in the AHL, now that's not to say Blash is a great coach or that he propelled them to be amazing players, but those players were solid to elite AHLers at young ages for the Griffins under Blashill.Why put the cut off there though? Many of those players were coached by Blashill in the AHL, which to me seems an even more crucial time in their development as they try and make the jump to the NHL.
Babcock is the most overrated coach in the history of the NHLI hope Babcock will be available at that time
It is not cherry picking.
That line is mat matching other top lines in the league.
Our goaltending and our defence is bottom 10.
Weird thing is, I'm not sure they did spend a lot of time with Blash, at least not the forwards. The Wings carried them in Detroit and just didn't play them a lot some years. It's been so long that I don't remember if it was because of waivers or whatever. Maybe it was injuries, too. I just don't recall at the moment.
I don't think it's cherry picking, it's just the easiest place to draw demarcation without having to dig into the trenches of how much it matters that Jurco played a half season's worth of games under Blashill at the end of Jurco's tenure here versus the time Jurco played with Babcock behind the bench.