Confirmed with Link: Vincent Trocheck signs $5.625 x 7

[SA16]

Trocheck and Kreider need to be on different powerplay units. Trocheck also scores a lot of his goals in front of the net

Trocheck was miscast as a net front guy on CAR because of their personnel. His best PP year, by far, in Florida he played more around the slot and roved around. He has a really good slap shot he can take in the middle of the ice that is lost in front.

 

[One moment please]

Found something.

Vincent Trocheck on signing seven-year deal with Rangers: 'This is a really exciting opportunity for me' | Rangers News Conference ("full" interview)



And a little family piece to get to know the man.

Thank you!

 

[Lgrsean]

Without a doubt an upgrade over Strome. Personally, though, I don't see Panarin and Trocheck being a marriage made in heaven. I think the other winger is going to have to be Panarin's new bestie while Trocheck is the one that dogs the puck on the forecheck or gets back on defense. Honestly, I think Kakko would be a great fit with Panarin because they both thrive with the puck on their stick.

For example, Panarin-Strome had Hunt and Blackwell at times the last couple of years. I see Trocheck filling that role more so than filling Strome's role.

Well see. Trocheck had a 75 point season with huberdeau. He’s got just as much offensive skill as strome.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Well see. Trocheck had a 75 point season with huberdeau. He’s got just as much offensive skill as strome.

And Trocheck actually put up more points than Huberdeau that season.

 

[Lgrsean]

And Trocheck actually put up more points than Huberdeau that season.

Whoever settles into 2RW is going to breakout this season and it really doesn’t matter if it’s Laf, kakko, or kravtsov. I think Laf makes the most sense on the mika line bc of how good he looked there before the TDL, but the top 2 lines are going to be much better next year.

 

[free0717]

This comparison I made is more than just terms and salaries. Neither Drury nor Gomez had the chemistry Micheal Nylander had with Jagr. It failed miserably. It will be difficult for Trocheck to match the chemistry Strome had with the Breadman. I hope I'm wrong, but something tells me I have seen this picture before.

Have needed a left handed center. Both Gomez and Drury were Right Handed. Trochek is Right Handed passing and taking passes from a left wing. Troceck will be great with Panarin.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Have needed a left handed center. Both Gomez and Drury were Right Handed. Trochek is Right Handed passing and taking passes from a left wing. Troceck will be great with Panarin.

Gomez was left handed

 

[GAGLine]

I was looking at Trocheck's stats and realized he takes a lot of penalties, but they are usually offset by the number of penalties he draws.

The totals include majors and misconducts (both for and against), but he doesn't have many of those and has probably drawn very close to the same number against. For his career he is a net 24 in penalties drawn vs taken, though he has taken 165 minors in 555 career games. That's an average of 1 minor every 3.36 games.

After seeing those numbers, I looked at Strome, who has a penchant for taking bad penalties.

152 minors in 621 games, so he isn't penalized quite as often (though it's still pretty often), but he has a -78 differential between penalties drawn vs taken.

I'd love to see a breakdown of penalties by zone, because it seems like Strome has taken a large number in the offensive zone. Does Trocheck take most of his in the defensive zone? I'd also like to see a breakdown of the type of penalties for both players. A roughing penalty is usually a sign of aggressive play (or aggression after the whistle), and is often offset by a matching penalty. Hooking penalties are usually the result of lazy play or getting beat, and are very rarely offset. It would be helpful to see how many powerplays other teams were given as a result of those penalties.

Does anyone know if there's a place to see those kinds of breakdowns?

 

[RangersFan1994]

I was looking at Trocheck's stats and realized he takes a lot of penalties, but they are usually offset by the number of penalties he draws.

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The totals include majors and misconducts (both for and against), but he doesn't have many of those and has probably drawn very close to the same number against. For his career he is a net 24 in penalties drawn vs taken, though he has taken 165 minors in 555 career games. That's an average of 1 minor every 3.36 games.

After seeing those numbers, I looked at Strome, who has a penchant for taking bad penalties.

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152 minors in 621 games, so he isn't penalized quite as often (though it's still pretty often), but he has a -78 differential between penalties drawn vs taken.

I'd love to see a breakdown of penalties by zone, because it seems like Strome has taken a large number in the offensive zone. Does Trocheck take most of his in the defensive zone? I'd also like to see a breakdown of the type of penalties for both players. A roughing penalty is usually a sign of aggressive play (or aggression after the whistle), and is often offset by a matching penalty. Hooking penalties are usually the result of lazy play or getting beat, and are very rarely offset. It would be helpful to see how many powerplays other teams were given as a result of those penalties.

Does anyone know if there's a place to see those kinds of breakdowns?

I dont mind the penalties if it means sticking up for a teammate or to change momentum. But the lazy penalties hooking holding tripping and delay of game puck over the glass are the worst. Retaliation penalties and offensive zone penalties usually always come back to hurt any team in the NHL. I wish their was a breakdown for all types of penalties, lazy ones, the ones that negate scoring chances, offensive zone penalties, penalties when it comes to sticking up for a teammate or themselves.

 

[GAGLine]

I dont mind the penalties if it means sticking up for a teammate or to change momentum. But the lazy penalties hooking holding tripping and delay of game puck over the glass are the worst. Retaliation penalties and offensive zone penalties usually always come back to hurt any team in the NHL. I wish their was a breakdown for all types of penalties, lazy ones, the ones that negate scoring chances, offensive zone penalties, penalties when it comes to sticking up for a teammate or themselves.

Here's a breakdown of Trocheck's penalties from last season, both regular season and playoffs:

Type of Penalty	Penalty	Number of Penalties
Minor	Roughing	5
Minor	Delay of Game	1
Minor	Hooking	4
Minor	Tripping	9
Minor	Crosschecking	4
Minor	High Sticking	2
Minor	Unsportsmanlike Behavior	3
Minor	Interference	2
Minor	Illegal Equipment	1
Minor	Holding	2
Minor	Slashing	1
Minor	Matching Penalties	5
Major	Fighting	1
Major	Boarding	1
Major	Matching Penalties	1
Misconduct	10 Minute Misconduct	1

He had 5 minors in 14 playoff games, and 29 minors in 81 regular season games.

The Matching Penalties are the number of times a player on the other team got a penalty at the same time, resulting in no loss of manpower on the ice. The fighting major, obviously, had a matching penalty, and 4 of the 5 roughing penalties. There was also one case where he traded crosschecking for slashing.

There was one weird instance where Trocheck got 2 minutes for Unsportsmanlike Behavior and Sean Kuraly got a 10 minute misconduct on the same play, but no minor penalty. Trocheck's Boarding major and 10 Minute Misconduct were on the same play.

I counted 3 times when he took a penalty while on the PP, but I don't know the context of whether they were bad penalties, or to save a short handed chance against. There was one instance where he took 2 minor penalties on the same play, resulting in a 5-3 against.

Given his history of taking penalties, this is probably close to what we can expect next year.

 

[n8]

Hoping Turk gives Kravtsov a legit (e.g. consistent) chance with Panarin-Trochek-Kravtsov. Looking for Kravy to develop some chemistry with Panarin. They are both good passers who can feed each other on their off wings and Trochek - unlike Strome - will bull his way to the net and open up space for those two.

 

[Synergy27]

Hoping Turk gives Kravtsov a legit (e.g. consistent) chance with Panarin-Trochek-Kravtsov. Looking for Kravy to develop some chemistry with Panarin. They are both good passers who can feed each other on their off wings and Trochek - unlike Strome - will bull his way to the net and open up space for those two.

This entire board, minus one loud person, is seriously sleeping on Kravtsov. If he hadn’t bounced back and forth and developed this reputation as a whiner, we’d all be sitting here excited that our potential Kaprizov has finally come over.

 

[hackeyman]

Hoping Turk gives Kravtsov a legit (e.g. consistent) chance with Panarin-Trochek-Kravtsov. Looking for Kravy to develop some chemistry with Panarin. They are both good passers who can feed each other on their off wings and Trochek - unlike Strome - will bull his way to the net and open up space for those two.

Not sure how 2 floaters are going to find chemistry on the same line. Trochek is going to have a lot of work to do. I highly doubt Turk gives him much of a shot on the first line.

 

[hackeyman]

This entire board, minus one loud person, is seriously sleeping on Kravtsov. If he hadn’t bounced back and forth and developed this reputation as a whiner, we’d all be sitting here excited that our potential Kaprizov has finally come over.

Kaprizov is crazy high expectations.

 

[n8]

This entire board, minus one loud person, is seriously sleeping on Kravtsov. If he hadn’t bounced back and forth and developed this reputation as a whiner, we’d all be sitting here excited that our potential Kaprizov has finally come over.

Kaprizov is a bit high. Maybe like a Kuznetsov type. Like if you put Kratsov with Ovechkin, I'm sure he'd have 50 points.

 

[Thirty One]

This entire board, minus one loud person, is seriously sleeping on Kravtsov. If he hadn’t bounced back and forth and developed this reputation as a whiner, we’d all be sitting here excited that our potential Kaprizov has finally come over.

Have you compared their KHL stats? Even adjusting for the Sedlak factor, there's quite the difference.

 

[Synergy27]

Kaprizov is crazy high expectations.

Kaprizov is a bit high. Maybe like a Kuznetsov type. Like if you put Kratsov with Ovechkin, I'm sure he'd have 50 points.

Have you compared their KHL stats? Even adjusting for the Sedlak factor, there's quite the difference.

I don’t expect that he’s Kaprizov. He’s not all that far off though. The point being is that he’s a really good player, who has produced quite a bit in the KHL, especially in the playoffs, and everyone just assumes he’s coming here to get traded.

 

[Irishguy42]

I can see the similarities to Kaprizov.

Name starts with a 'K' and ends with 'ov'

That's about it.

 

[SickNice]

How about the kid demonstrates he's capable and mature enough to make the team before we compare him to Top 20 players in the league.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don’t expect that he’s Kaprizov. He’s not all that far off though. The point being is that he’s a really good player, who has produced quite a bit in the KHL, especially in the playoffs, and everyone just assumes he’s coming here to get traded.

He's closer to Zherdev than Kaprizov.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Was it really that complicated to understand that it wasn’t a comparison to Kaprizov in terms of talent/style and more about the overall situation?

 

[Crease]

Now that the dust has settled:

Strome (29) signed for $5 x 5
Copp (28) signed for $5.625 x 5
Trocheck (29) signed for $5.625 x 7

Trocheck is unquestionably the best C of the three. Glad the Rangers got him.

 

[Fitzy]

I do think he is a likely candidate to be shit on here if he gets off to a slow start offensively.

That said, he does everything Strome did as well, minus the interviews, and there are a number of things he does quite a bit better.

It was a very important move- we are pretty much locked into this roster now unless some sort of big Yandle type deal with significant retention goes down.

Every GM in the league is sort of trying to figure out how to navigate this flat cap situation.

 

[Leonardo87]

Now that the dust has settled:

Strome (29) signed for $5 x 5
Copp (28) signed for $5.625 x 5
Trocheck (29) signed for $5.625 x 7

Trocheck is unquestionably the best C of the three. Glad the Rangers got him.

I still think 7 years is a tad too long. But will worry about crossing that bridge when they get to it.

 

[Emptyvoid]

He's closer to Zherdev than Kaprizov.

Peak Zherdev (60pt winger) is still a great outcome imo