Confirmed Trade: [VGK/TOR] David Clarkson and 2020 4th round pick for Garret Sparks

[CupInSIX]

Because he had a NMC and didn't want to be traded?

Ah right forgot about his NMC.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Feels good to finally have a smart GM who knows what he’s doing after decades of idiots

It sure does!

Would Clarkson’s name go on the Cup and would be get a day with the Cup if they win? Does he ride in the parade?

#Embarrassing

Most ridiculous post of the summer (so far), congrats.

 

[Liferleafer]

Ah right forgot about his NMC.

It's the sole reason it cost a 1st to move him. Marleau's demands (which were well in his rights) limited teams that could comply.

 

[The90]

Of course it is......Marner is already rated as one of the 5 greatest players in NHL history.....just ask any EA Sport Leaf fan, Paul Marner or his agent.......Marner had a great year because of JT.

Well, they had great years because of each other in reality.

It’s only now leaf fans are bitter at him that they’re saying otherwise

 

[Pi]

Well, they had great years because of each other in reality.

It’s only now leaf fans are bitter at him that they’re saying otherwise

Nah, most sane fans know that JT had a huge impact on Marner's play. Advanced stats back it up. Your eyes back it up if you watched too.

Leafs hit the jackpot with Tavares. It's the reason why I don't really worry what happens with Marner one way or another. We have two franchise centers.

Traded? Great, we're going to get something really good in return.
OS? Match or get 4 first round picks and still have Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Johnsson, Kapanen, Hyman etc and money to balance to roster.
Signed? Great, we have Mitch back.

The Leafs are in the perfect spot with Mitch. He can sign or he can go.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Yeah what he’s saying makes no sense. They exceed the cap because of the LTIR relief but when the LTIR contracts are gone they’ll just be at the cap lol

some people seem to be under the bizarre impression that the leafs are going to have a cap $10m higher than everyone else because of their ltir contracts, as if clarkson/horton wouldn't count towards that higher cap number.

 

[Blueboy]

Nah, most sane fans know that JT had a huge impact on Marner's play. Advanced stats back it up. Your eyes back it up if you watched too.

Leafs hit the jackpot with Tavares. It's the reason why I don't really worry what happens with Marner one way or another. We have two franchise centers.

Traded? Great, we're going to get something really good in return.
OS? Match or get 4 first round picks and still have Matthews, Tavares, Nylander, Johnsson, Kapanen, Hyman etc and money to balance to roster.
Signed? Great, we have Mitch back.

The Leafs are in the perfect spot with Mitch. He can sign or he can go.

This is so straightforward and easy comprehend, but for some reason people continue to get away with trolling.

Another thing people can’t seem to grasp is that JT has done it all before, I love Mitch but it’s asinine to suggest JT didn’t impact his numbers.

 

[LeafsLegendAkiBerg]

Definitely like the Barrie addition but the rest barely move the needle. Spezza is close to done. Ceci is really bad. Expecting he will be traded before the deadline. I actually predict Marleau and Gardiner will play for the Leafs this season.

Marleau is done. Hainsy is a bottom pairing D. Kadri seriously regressed last season and did nothing in the post season but get himself suspended. Gardiner struggled with injuries last season and broke down in the playoffs, as per usual. You're acting like the Leafs seriously regressed by losing these players but none of them are game changers. I think there's a zero percent chance Marleau plays with us this year and the only way Gardiner plays for us is if he takes a major paycut.

 

[grapes55]

This is a genius move by the leafs to double down on the amount they can go over the cap. with basically a full roster including horton and clarkson, they’re at the cap limit, so now they have a little over $10 million dollars in overages they can use to sign Marner

 

[Not Sure]

You're forgetting that in the off-season teams can exceed the cap by (I believe) ten percent. So the leafs have the space to sign him now. If they wait until the season they are now able to create 10.55 mil of cap space by putting Horton and Clarkson on ltir allowing them to sign Marner in season. That's how I understand it, it's a flexibility move.

They arent creating cap space, they are just recalculating the cap by removing the LTIR players. They can go over 10% in the offseason, but have to be compliant when the season starts. So if they are exactly at the cap they can sign Marner up to 10% over and when the season starts place Horton and Clarkson on IR removing their cap hits, when that is done they need to be at or below the salary cap. Summer IR doesnt matter unless they plan on signing Marner to a deal that puts them over the 10% threshold at which point IR wont lose enough salary to make them compliant at the start if the season. If they go over the cap to sign Marner minus the IR they still need to move someone before the season starts to become compliant.

 

[Not Sure]

This is a genius move by the leafs to double down on the amount they can go over the cap. with basically a full roster including horton and clarkson, they’re at the cap limit, so now they have a little over $10 million dollars in overages they can use to sign Marner

They had 10% to go over without LTIR, every team gets 10% in offseason. Adding Clarkson and Horton still gives them 10% but it also gives them Clarkson and Hortons cap hit out of that 10% until they are IR. They also dont get to keep that 10% once the season starts. How does this move give them more room? Before clarkson and Horton they had 10million plus 10% extra to go over the cap, once they go on IR they once again have 10 million plus 10% to go over cap. Then once season starts the 10% you're allowed to go over disappears and you need to be cap compliant.

 

[vanarchy]

I want to preface this by saying that what Dubas did here was smart and he had every right to do it considering he broke no rules. You can't get mad at him for doing his job and searching for very conceivable way to find flexibility for his team.

With that said, I don't think LTIR players should be a tradeable asset to another team. The cap regulations as they stand make sense for the team the injured player is on because you can't plan for some unforseeable injury. I don't like the idea of cap strapped teams trying to use these contracts as a "benefit" though. You're basically circumventing the cap without calling it circumventing the cap. Strange times.

 

[grapes55]

They had 10% to go over without LTIR, every team gets 10% in offseason. Adding Clarkson and Horton still gives them 10% but it also gives them Clarkson and Hortons cap hit out of that 10% until they are IR. They also dont get to keep that 10% once the season starts. How does this move give them more room? Before clarkson and Horton they had 10million plus 10% extra to go over the cap, once they go on IR they once again have 10 million plus 10% to go over cap. Then once season starts the 10% you're allowed to go over disappears and you need to be cap compliant.

So basically, right now the Leafs have $0 in cap space with a full roster AND including Horton and Clarkson. They’ll be able to sign marner for up to $10.55 million because theyll be able to put those two players on LTIR. Before with only Horton, they could only go about $5 mil over.

 

[Martin Skoula]

It's the sole reason it cost a 1st to move him. Marleau's demands (which were well in his rights) limited teams that could comply.

Marleau did it in the worst way possible. If he wanted San Jose, he should have said that from the start instead of saying he wanted a trade anywhere out west.

Changing to "only San Jose, buy me out" with a week to go until the buyout deadline really limited the market, especially with UFA coming up. A better deal probably could have been worked out if we knew he wanted to be bought out earlier.

 

[sharkhawk]

So basically, right now the Leafs have $0 in cap space with a full roster AND including Horton and Clarkson. They’ll be able to sign marner for up to $10.55 million because theyll be able to put those two players on LTIR. Before with only Horton, they could only go about $5 mil over.

And before they got Clarkson they were 5.25 under the cap, and could go 5 million over the cap by LTIRing Horton. They might gain a little because of LTIR cap moves, but it is a small difference. The optimum move would be not have Horton salary, but they’re stuck with it because it’s uninsured, so they got a free fourth. But if they had their choice they would prefer to have no LTIR at all

 

[Hockey Crazy]

And before they got Clarkson they were 5.25 under the cap, and could go 5 million over the cap by LTIRing Horton. They might gain a little because of LTIR cap moves, but it is a small difference. The optimum move would be not have Horton salary, but they’re stuck with it because it’s uninsured, so they got a free fourth. But if they had their choice they would prefer to have no LTIR at all

Partially correct. You only gain the full benefit of a LTIR contract if the team is against the cap. Without Clarkson, the Leafs were only at 77 mil and would only have been able to exceed the cap by 800k (77 + 5.3 for Horton) Instead, we will go right up against the 81.5 with Clarkson, then simultaniously activate them, giving us a full 10.55 in cap relief.

 

[Canada4Gold]

And before they got Clarkson they were 5.25 under the cap, and could go 5 million over the cap by LTIRing Horton. They might gain a little because of LTIR cap moves, but it is a small difference. The optimum move would be not have Horton salary, but they’re stuck with it because it’s uninsured, so they got a free fourth. But if they had their choice they would prefer to have no LTIR at all

Incorrect. You only get full relief if you’re at th cap. Every dollar lower is a dollar less relief you get. We wouldn’t have been able to go 5 million over before this. Unless the Leafs could somehow magically gotten to the cap before LTIRing Horton and then were capable of making that extra cap they added on by doing so disappear they wouldn’t have gotten the full 5.3 relief for Horton but rather very little. Clarkson essentially becomes that extra cap that allows them to get near the cap to get full relief from Horton and then he himself gets relief as well using LTIR.

 

[sharkhawk]

Incorrect. You only get full relief if you’re at th cap. Every dollar lower is a dollar less relief you get. We wouldn’t have been able to go 5 million over before this. Unless the Leafs could somehow magically gotten to the cap before LTIRing Horton and then were capable of making that extra cap they added on by doing so disappear they wouldn’t have gotten the full 5.3 relief for Horton but rather very little. Clarkson essentially becomes that extra cap that allows them to get near the cap to get full relief from Horton and then he himself gets relief as well using LTIR.

If you sign Marner before the season youre in the exact same position you were before right at the cap after the LTIR moves. Without Clarkson you need 5.3 in cap relief, with clarkson you need 10.55. You get full cap relief either way.

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Why didn't the Leafs move him at the TDL when those talks of 11.5m started up for Matthews and Marner?

Marleau had a full no-move clause.

Edit : Please ignore I see that others have already said the same thing.

 

[Canada4Gold]

If you sign Marner before the season youre in the exact same position you were before right at the cap after the LTIR moves. Without Clarkson you need 5.3 in cap relief, with clarkson you need 10.55. You get full cap relief either way.

Before the season I don’t believe it has any difference due to offseason LTIR. If we had enter the season without Marner signed at say 78 million and LTIR’s Horton we’d only be able to go to 83.3 million and not the cap plus Hortons AAV which would be 86.8 million. Leaving us with only 5.3 to sign Marner and not 8 or 9 plus. The closer to the cap you are the more relief you get when you use LTIR in season. Getting Clarkson makes it possible to finagle the moves to virtually be at the cap ensuring full relief from Horton which wasn’t possible before. It’s completely backwards and counterintuitive but that’s how it works.

It doesn’t create extra cap space it just allows us to get the full relief from Horton because we’ll be closer to the cap ceiling now.

 

[CupInSIX]

And before they got Clarkson they were 5.25 under the cap, and could go 5 million over the cap by LTIRing Horton. They might gain a little because of LTIR cap moves, but it is a small difference. The optimum move would be not have Horton salary, but they’re stuck with it because it’s uninsured, so they got a free fourth. But if they had their choice they would prefer to have no LTIR at all

Fancy use of the word "Free".

Honda gave me a car for free the other day. It was such a great deal I tipped them 15 thousand dollars.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

This is a genius move by the leafs to double down on the amount they can go over the cap. with basically a full roster including horton and clarkson, they’re at the cap limit, so now they have a little over $10 million dollars in overages they can use to sign Marner

A little under $10M, not a little over $10M.

They're $2.16M over the cap as of now.

Horton and Clarkson are worth $10.55M once they're LTIRed.

Add to this the $1.4M more or less once they drop 2 contracts (Aberg/Agostino/Spezza/Holl/Marincin/Harpur ?).

That gets them to $9.8M.

Is that enough to sign Marner on a long-term deal ?

 

[Not Sure]

And before they got Clarkson they were 5.25 under the cap, and could go 5 million over the cap by LTIRing Horton. They might gain a little because of LTIR cap moves, but it is a small difference. The optimum move would be not have Horton salary, but they’re stuck with it because it’s uninsured, so they got a free fourth. But if they had their choice they would prefer to have no LTIR at all

You still get to go 10% over in the offseason without LTIR. So without Horton and clarkson they had $18 million in space, $10million to get to the cap plus $8 million in overage. With clarkson and horton they have the $10 million on IR plus the $8 million in overage. It changes nothing except the ability to match an offer sheet that puts them above the 10% threshold. Either way they need to be cap compliant by the start of the season with IR removed. LTIR relief isnt extra, its relief equal to the number your spending on LTIR if needed.

 

[Blueboy]

So now people care how the Leafs spend their money?

Who cares if they paid for a draft pick, flex that muscle.

 

[CupInSIX]

So now you care how the Leafs spend their money?

Who cares if they paid for a draft pick, flex that muscle.