Melvin
21/12/05
Whatever dude. I didn't see anything like what you're describing, and now you've wrecked the thread by whining about posters instead of talking about the player. Do you have any opinions about the actual player?
Prospect Info: Vasili Podkolzin
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Whatever dude. I didn't see anything like what you're describing, and now you've wrecked the thread by whining about posters instead of talking about the player. Do you have any opinions about the actual player?
Stop whining. Start talking about the overtime goal Podkolzin just scored.
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lol criticizing people who want to talk prospects and their development on the Hockey’s Future Board will never cease to amaze me.
dude this isn’t the message board to passively follow prospects. People have opinions and give them- that’s a good thing. This isn’t the “just sit back and chill and let them develop” message boards.
canucks fans have been burnt by 2 top 10 picks in very recent years... Pod is gonna be under a microscope any way you slice it.
dude this isn’t the message board to passively follow prospects. People have opinions and give them- that’s a good thing. This isn’t the “just sit back and chill and let them develop” message boards.
canucks fans have been burnt by 2 top 10 picks in very recent years... Pod is gonna be under a microscope any way you slice it.
Billy Kvcmu
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Nice goal today
Although I wish they stop bouncing him around and let him stay in one league for a while
Although I wish they stop bouncing him around and let him stay in one league for a while
Bleach Clean
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Can we have any expectation based upon the data, reasonable or otherwise?
The contention here is about having a reasonable expectation with sufficient sample (ideal) versus a general expectation with wide room for error (it’s what we have).
I think that if there is enough data about the league to establish an equivalency, it is not an unknown variable. Perhaps a one-dimensional variable, yes, but still a variable nonetheless. Agree or disagree?
On the other hand, I do agree that there is an insufficient sample to make a reasonable assertion about the player. But this is going to be the case for every Russian player that transitions between leagues. Do we then just forget about projecting Russians at all? Even in a general sense, filled with error?
Mel, I think you know by now that I respect your intellect as a poster. I think it should be obvious. We’ve had tangent discussions about weighting equivalency markers differently, and about adjusting for improved league strength. It’s fascinating stuff and I like that we talk about it. Just know that before we delve further into this.
Billy Kvcmu
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Yeah but played 10 minutes. I actually like this arrangement if I'm honest. As long as he gets his 5 to 10 minutes at khl speed in slowly increasing intervals, then gets to go down and play in an offensive role in an AHL like league, let's see if this doesn't actually pan out in his favour. WJC coming up, my money is on him putting up a hlinka like performance.
krutovsdonut
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He is getting the best possible mentorship program by being eased into the best team in the 2nd best men's league in the world. Would rather see him have success and feel good about himself even if it's against lower competition than him playing a full season in the KHL with limited minutes/opportunities and losing his confidence.
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10:10 TOI with the big club today for Podkolzin. No points.
Count me an as another person who likes the way he's being brought along. He's super young, so its easier being patient right now with his lack of production higher up. Talk to me in a year and then if he's still laying goose eggs in the K then I might get worried.
My pick at our spot was Boldy, as I'd totally forgotten about Pod as he had become a bit of an afterthought in the mock drafts. Boldy is not doing well at all right now in College. I'm sure he'll turn it around, but that helps me a bit with Pod having a slow start (at least in the KHL).
My pick at our spot was Boldy, as I'd totally forgotten about Pod as he had become a bit of an afterthought in the mock drafts. Boldy is not doing well at all right now in College. I'm sure he'll turn it around, but that helps me a bit with Pod having a slow start (at least in the KHL).
Bleach Clean
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What are you even taking about? Absolutely no one is freaking out.
You have chosen to sensationalize negativity as alarmist rhetoric. When you really aren’t delving into the grounds for the critique itself.
First, I believe I am one of two posters to post multiple full Podkolzin games to these threads. Check my post history. To be sure, I have likely watched more of him than you ever have, or likely ever will pre-NHL. So please understand that I take your stat watching comment as a complete joke.
Next, he has sample games in all three Russian Leagues during his draft season and his draft+1 season. We are not limited to the KHL, where ice time is a major factor. There is still the MHL and VHL. As a result, I don’t think we should dismiss all league play as a mystery box. That’s the argument.
I’m hoping Mel chooses to pick this up again because the result may be more informative than anything posted within the last 10 pages of this thread, including your drive by post.
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SKA-NEVA's next VHL game is on the 30th at 6am PST
SKA St Petersburg next game for the KHL is tomorrow at 8:30am vs Sochi, and the next one after that is on the 30th at 6:30am pst vs Dinamo Riga.
I'm going to assume hes going to play in the KHL tomorrow and his play will probably determine whether he plays in the VHL or KHL for the Nov 30th game.
SKA St Petersburg next game for the KHL is tomorrow at 8:30am vs Sochi, and the next one after that is on the 30th at 6:30am pst vs Dinamo Riga.
I'm going to assume hes going to play in the KHL tomorrow and his play will probably determine whether he plays in the VHL or KHL for the Nov 30th game.
PuckMunchkin
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I came across this tweet yesterday, and it may put some perspective on scoring rates in the VHL:
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Melvin
21/12/05
A mix of small samples in different contexts can't just be stitched together to form a larger sample. The KHL data is useless because of his lack of ice time and the data from other leagues is useless because they are extremely small and because we have very few comparables from these leagues to form a baseline.
If a player somehow played one game in each of 100 leagues for the year, you couldn't just add them up and say look at that, I have 100 games of data! You would have 100 useless data points which sum up to one useless ball of nothing.
Data doesn't become more significant just because it's all you have. Sometimes you just don't have enough to form any conclusions and that's that.
Podkolzin is playing in KHL today vs Sochi. He has played 6 minutes in 1st period alone.
Hopefully he can play an 18 minute game today.
Hopefully he can play an 18 minute game today.
I'm just not getting worked up at all about stats or ice-time in the VHL or KHL. I saw enough in the CHL-Russia showcase series to know that Podkolzin will be a force on the smaller NA ice. Just a question of 'when'.
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It's ridiculous really. And should shine a pretty bright light on why production is hard to come by in a bad league that plays crummy non entertaining low skill hockey.
The low man on the list of 50 is at .914 We praised the pants off Markstrom last year for .912
It's wild.
So... players shoot the puck right at the goalie in the VHL? Float weak unscreened perimeter wristers at the net? Elite goaltenders?
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