I feel the same way. If he can't be moved now there's no way we were getting assets back in a way that helped our cap situation. If the move last season was close to an equal amount of cap coming back I can see why we'd have passed.
No by ranking! The same vague metric you've been unable to define.
I’m going to assume they didn’t waive Pearson because they didn’t think he’d be claimed and would still have 2 million against the cap. They didn’t waive another player because they didn’t want to risk losing them.
in this news article on december 6, 2014 they report he had admitted assaulting her in court and then pled guilty to a misdemeanour disorderly conduct charge and paid a $124 and took probation. they also report a second charge of disorderly conduct being dropped but make no mention of an assault charge.
Ex-UNH goalie agrees to diversion agreement DeSmith to receive counseling, avoids jail
DOVER — Casey DeSmith, 23, the former goalie for the UNH men's hockey team, will have to undergo drug and alcohol counseling and complete community service in order to avoid jail time for assaulting …www.fosters.com
it's highly likely the story is wrong. it is unlikely if not impossible he admitted the higher offence of assault in open court as reported that he was not even charged with, nor would he be required to do so in order to plead to disorderly conduct. in fact, if he did admit to an assault in court then he would have been convicted of assault by the judge.
then on december 15th the article you quote appears headlined that he tells his side of the story. in the article he accuses the media of misreporting the facts but the reporter does not explain what he means.
Former New Hampshire goalie DeSmith tells his side of arrest, dismissal from team - College Hockey | USCHO.com
Dismissed from the New Hampshire hockey team recently, senior goaltender Casey DeSmith recently spoke to the Concord Monitor about his dismissal from thewww.uscho.com
that article was mostly taken from a written statement de smith made which another paper reported in full. in it you will see that de smith in particular was mad about the cecemeber 6th story and considering legal action about how badly the first story was written.
Former UNH goalie Casey DeSmith comments on media coverage of his arrest and suspension from UNH
Text of a press release provided by the parents of Casey DeSmith. ROCHESTER – Casey DeSmith, who had been thewww.concordmonitor.com
this part of the written statement adds detail to a disciplinary hearing at the school where he was cleared:
"During the hearing, DeSmith presented two detailed statements that included evidence which called into question allegations that had been made against him, including an allegation that he had caused physical harm to another student, his former girlfriend. That evidence showed that a) she showed no sign whatsoever of having been struck and was completely uninjured, b) she gave wildly different accounts of what had happened that night to police, c) neither of her descriptions of what happened agreed with first-hand accounts provided to police by eyewitnesses, and d) a teammate, Wildcats captain Matt Willows, stated that she later told him that DeSmith had not, in fact, struck her."
and here's another story indicating he was cleared after the disciplinary hearing by the school.
DeSmith Signs Pro Contract After NCAA Declines Waiver
Former New Hampshire goaltender Casey DeSmith signed with the Wheeling Nailers last week, the ECHL affiliate of the Pittsburgh Penguins, after the NCAA denied him a transfer waiver to play his senior ...www.collegehockeynews.com
"According to the Concord Monitor this past December, DeSmith was immediately suspended by the University following the incident, which involved a former girlfriend, but that suspension was ended in November after a disciplinary hearing, which found that statements had varied, among other evidence, which also included no evidence of physical harm and other eyewitness statements that DeSmith did not do anything physical during the incident, according to the report.
The board found that DeSmith was not responsible for causing physical harm and was allowed to re-enter the University as a student in good standing the following semester."
so bottom line. he plead guilty only to disorderly conduct, denied assaulting anyone, and was acquitted of assaulting his gf after a discplinary hearing by the school.
what he actually did i have no idea. maybe somebody can dig further. but i'd be pretty cautious trusting these badly written news stories and judging him on it.
What's a top-six player then? What criteria? The things you're saying apply similarly. Except the criteria is even looser.
2nd chances are great! Look at Mike Babcock!
Have you considered...there are people that haven't assaulted anyone? Perhaps you could give a chance to a player that hasn't done that!
@arttk's definition of a 2nd or liner was even more vague. A ranking is very clear if you have a metric to rank them by.
So what metrics do you use to rank players? Can I see your list down to 300 so we have some fringe middle players ranked?
You're the one that seems mad and should chill. It was @arttk who originally complained about my "ranking". And then you had to jump in and pile on, despite not actually being involved in the conversation in the first place.
I've been engaging you all thread. This isn't jumping in, this is asking you to back up your positions with something other than outrage and blustering.
This is false. You were not originally involved in the discussion of player "rankings". You jumped in after aartk.
i think a good example would be Burrows. He is obviously a top line winger for us but he didn't really produce at a top line clip. I assume whatever ranking @bossram has will probably id Burrows as a middle 6 player and that would just be wrong.Yeah. I don't really know about just categorizing "Top-6" vs "Middle-6" purely by making a list of all the forwards in the league and parsing it into tiers like that.
For example...someone like Adam Lowry is an outstanding player. I'd have him ranked much higher in "value" for a team than some filler like Anthony Beauvillier. However...if i want someone to play on my top line riding shotgun to say...Petey-Kuz...i think there's a real argument that Beauvillier might be the better fit. Skillsets and aptitudes start to play into the conversation, beyond just an abstracted list of "best players" on a generalized overall value context.
In a lot of cases, i think even just a descriptor like "Top-9" becomes more useful for certain types of players. Where "Middle-6" can represent some barriers offensively, to playing a more prominent role further up the lineup. But you can still have oddities where a "Middle-6 player" can be "better" or "more valuable" than a "Top-9" forward who has specific traits that allow them to look less out of place as Top-6 filler. The league is becoming so much more about depth and flexibility anyway. It's complicated and often more about "duos" and interchangeable "filler" plugging in around them.
Nope. You'd be wrong again.
like i said, you are just taking a common and well understood term and then applying a different meaning to it. Like why is it xGAR and not points? is it because that's how everybody understands it or is it because you alone decided that is the metric to go?
I was asked what metric I would use. I provided one. If you don't like it because it doesn't fit your opinions, that's fine. I think xGAR/60 is better because it provides a bit more holistic representation of a player than purely points, though high-end scorers are still favoured by it.
i mean you might as well just say Miki is a middle 6 player because you deem it so.
And you might as well say you think Mik is a pure top-six player because you deem it so! That's essentially what your definition was!
yes you used an objective ranking but you subjective applied it in ways that it was not designed to.
not if the information available is incomplete garbage and/or facts selectively massaged by someone with an agenda.
In the case of CDS, he was arrested, given multiple charges (including resisting arrest), and entered a plea deal. I have no personal opinion on CDS in 2023, but the information here is pretty cut and dry.
if you are using that xGAR correctly, you would have actually used the xGAR number itself to set thresholds to determine tiering range. for example, you would take a bunch of samples of actual 2nd and 3rd line players and use them to set the boundaires of their tiering and determine who is "middle 6" based off that. instead what you have done is that you have lazily determined that number 77 -278 is middle 6 because i assumed you just look at how many players in the nhl, assumed x% of them is middle 6 and then just applied that, which is super lazy and doesn't account into all sorts of things.
