Injury Report: Valimaki Torn ACL, Requires Surgery

[crackdown44]

If you can move out Fro for a cheap 3rd pair guy instead of a mid rounder i think you take that route at this point, unfortunately

Really feel for Valimaki, was excited to see him play this year. Hope he has a full recovery

 

[InfinityIggy]

Trade board had a suggestion of Hickey & Ho-Sang for Frolik.

Solves a couple issues for us. Well, might not SOLVE our need for a #2RW, but Ho-Sang is someone we've always talked about taking a flyer on, also a right shot RW. If he signs for cheap, we'd save capspace (Hickey is 3 x $2.5m), get a serviceable D man and a chance for Ho-Sang to turn his career around.

Only issue is Hickey has 3 years left. I like the idea from a personnel standpoint, but worry Hickey ends up in a similar situation to Stone and has his value tanked by not getting into games (when Valimaki comes back).

 

[Rangediddy]

Only issue is Hickey has 3 years left. I like the idea from a personnel standpoint, but worry Hickey ends up in a similar situation to Stone and has his value tanked by not getting into games (when Valimaki comes back).

Is Hickey good enough to be a top 4 on other teams? If so, he should be movable.

 

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Only issue is Hickey has 3 years left. I like the idea from a personnel standpoint, but worry Hickey ends up in a similar situation to Stone and has his value tanked by not getting into games (when Valimaki comes back).

Then maybe we pay Seattle to take Hickey?

Or whoever we acquire.

 

[Mobiandi]

A 3 month recovery for a torn ACL doesn't happen unless you're using prohibited substances. 6 months is probably the least conservative estimate, realistically. Got to feel for Valimaki, this really sucks but from what he's shown so far, he appears to be very strong mentally so that should aid him during his journey back

 

[Zirakzigil]

Sucks a lot for him. Hasn’t been able to catch a break the last year. Hopefully this gives Kylington a chance to prove he deserves to stay in the NHL.

 

[Rangediddy]

Then maybe we pay Seattle to take Hickey?

Or whoever we acquire.

"Hello, Seattle? Calgary here, we'll pay you Milan Lucic if you draft Thomas Hickey. Deal? Deal."

Success

 

[JPeeper]

This unfortunate injury should be Kylington's spot to lose and of course the Flames have to try and bring someone else (worse) in instead of letting Ollie in.

This injury is brutal for Vali though, thought he'd prove himself to be a top 4 d-man this year and now he is most likely missing the entire year. Has now injured his ankle and knee before he is 20. Get him on some of that John Cena heal juice.

But the Flames don't need to look outside the organization, we already have Ollie and a bunch of other #7 guys who can fill in.

 

[Lunatik]

Only issue is Hickey has 3 years left. I like the idea from a personnel standpoint, but worry Hickey ends up in a similar situation to Stone and has his value tanked by not getting into games (when Valimaki comes back).

Exactly. I'd rather move Fro for Ho-Sang and a 5th and then sign someone like Sbisa at <$1m to be the #7, as he wouldn't need to handle the puck much when in the lineup and would add a bit of a physical presence.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Exactly. I'd rather move Fro for Ho-Sang and a 5th and then sign someone like Sbisa at <$1m to be the #7, as he wouldn't need to handle the puck much when in the lineup and would add a bit of a physical presence.

You had me until Sbisa. Of all the UFA D, is he really the best option? I get he had some success in Vegas but I dunno about signing him..

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

We could move Fro for Ho-Sang. Move Brodie to the left and sign Gardiner.

 

[HighLifeMan]

What's with the fascination for adding Ho Sang.

He is a purely offensive player that has provided mediocre to below average results at the AHL level. In addition to that he comes with a handful of red flags in terms of his commitment and character. I'd sooner give Dube, Czarnik, Phillips or even Gawdin the opportunity to play in the top nine over him.

 

[Rangediddy]

What's with the fascination for adding Ho Sang.

He is a purely offensive player that has provided mediocre to below average results at the AHL level. In addition to that he comes with a handful of red flags in terms of his commitment and character. I'd sooner give Dube, Czarnik, Phillips or even Gawdin the opportunity to play in the top nine over him.

Low risk, high reward?

IF we could trade Frolik for him 1-for-1, it'd save us like $3.5m in cap space. If he works out, great, if not, oh well we signed Tkachuk.

 

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You had me until Sbisa. Of all the UFA D, is he really the best option? I get he had some success in Vegas but I dunno about signing him..

I think the idea is to aim for someone willing to munch popcorn at league minimum who could do reasonably ok as a 5/6 if needed. Sbisa could be one but I would assume he wants a 1 way deal. I'd consider Bartkowski on a 2 way deal though.


EDIT: Wait, when did we sign Davidson? Perfect!

 

[HighLifeMan]

Low risk, high reward?

IF we could trade Frolik for him 1-for-1, it'd save us like $3.5m in cap space. If he works out, great, if not, oh well we signed Tkachuk.

Where is the high reward? I don't see it.

0.70 pts/g player in the AHL with 26 goals in 156 games, soft, defensive liability, character issues. Not somebody I would target for my organization.

The cap space is attractive, but couldn't a more useful asset be targeted? Frolik helps this team considerably. As a last resort option I could see it - I personally wouldn't like it though.

 

[Rangediddy]

Where is the high reward? I don't see it.

0.70 pts/g player in the AHL with 26 goals in 156 games, soft, defensive liability, character issues. Not somebody I would target for my organization.

The cap space is attractive, but couldn't a more useful asset be targeted? Frolik helps this team considerably. As a last resort option I could see it - I personally wouldn't like it though.

He might do well with a change of scenery. Nobody else is going to trade Frolik to us for a higher quality prospect, so someone with lots of skill but has "character issues" might be all we could get.

 

[Body Checker]

Treliving has really backed himself into a corner salary cap wise and asset wise. IF Andersson has a big year he's looking at 4 Mil+ and then there's Hamonic and Brodie going into UFA. At most he can only re-sign one of the UFAs and being that we are looking at being a conference contender one will walk for nothing next offseason. If it's Hamonic we will have used a ton of asset capital for not much if we don't do something in the playoffs in 2020. But we cannot trade Brodie or Hamonic this offseason due to being a contender. So going into 20-21 your looking at a 37 year old Giordano, rusty Valimaki and Hanifin/Andersson/Kylington. Still a solid group but not much depth. Add an overpay for Brodie or Hamonic into that group. But maybe both walk for nothing which again is a ton of asset capital out the door.

 

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Treliving has really backed himself into a corner salary cap wise and asset wise. IF Andersson has a big year he's looking at 4 Mil+ and then there's Hamonic and Brodie going into UFA. At most he can only re-sign one of the UFAs and being that we are looking at being a conference contender one will walk for nothing next offseason. If it's Hamonic we will have used a ton of asset capital for not much if we don't do something in the playoffs in 2020. But we cannot trade Brodie or Hamonic this offseason due to being a contender. So going into 20-21 your looking at a 37 year old Giordano, rusty Valimaki and Hanifin/Andersson/Kylington. Still a solid group but not much depth. Add an overpay for Brodie or Hamonic into that group. But maybe both walk for nothing which again is a ton of asset capital out the door.

How is he backed into a corner? It's not ideal, but it's still miles ahead of what many other clubs have. Many would love to have our issues. It is with a bit of uncertainty right now, but it's not hopeless. It's just uncomfortable.

Sure, after the following guys:
Gio/Brodie/Hamonic/Hanifin/Andersson/Kylington (This is all top tier talent)
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Valimaki

There's a huge drop in talent to:
Brandon Davidson/Valiev/Yeselin

But consider we've funneled essentially nothing (including late picks) and within the last calendar ish year shipped out:
Fox/Fantenberg/Prout/Stone

That is hilariously not bad. We can complain of no depth, but we literally lost all the depth this and last off season. The Valimaki thing is just pure unfortunate and not something we can truly plan for.

We do need to draft way more dmen in the next draft though.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Where is the high reward? I don't see it.

0.70 pts/g player in the AHL with 26 goals in 156 games, soft, defensive liability, character issues. Not somebody I would target for my organization.

The cap space is attractive, but couldn't a more useful asset be targeted? Frolik helps this team considerably. As a last resort option I could see it - I personally wouldn't like it though.

I would be totally cool with Dal Colle as well. I have no idea of his value to the Isles though.

 

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I would be totally cool with Dal Colle as well. I have no idea of his value to the Isles though.

I think they're more likely to let go of MDC than Ho Sang. I'd also prefer MDC than Ho Sang due to perceived character issues.

I think value wise, MDC should be around a Fantenberg?

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I think they're more likely to let go of MDC than Ho Sang. I'd also prefer MDC than Ho Sang due to perceived character issues.

I think value wise, MDC should be around a Fantenberg?

Like I don’t know if Dal Colle is much more than a 3rd liner, but he’s worth a shot IMO and we need the cap space.

 

[HighLifeMan]

I would be totally cool with Dal Colle as well. I have no idea of his value to the Isles though.

I would much rather take a flyer on Dal Colle as well. He at the very least provides speed and size, and could possibly develop into a decent middle six guy.

 

[Lunatik]

You had me until Sbisa. Of all the UFA D, is he really the best option? I get he had some success in Vegas but I dunno about signing him..

I suggested him because he would be cheap and likely accept a #7 role. Other guys will cost more and want more playing time.

 

[crackdown44]

A 3 month recovery for a torn ACL doesn't happen unless you're using prohibited substances. 6 months is probably the least conservative estimate, realistically. Got to feel for Valimaki, this really sucks but from what he's shown so far, he appears to be very strong mentally so that should aid him during his journey back

Gotta trade for Nate Schmidt and get the hookup then. Simple solution

 

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Damn, I'm disappointed in myself.

Any word whether we will sew some mesh into his ACL to speed up recovery?