Raptors Discussion: v70| It's off-season time (pre-season vs LAC from Hawaii: Sun Oct 1 @ 10pm ET/7pm PT | SN

[Mitchy]

Oh my god, yes please. Celts taking Ls is just beautiful.

 

[Budsfan]

Buno Caboclo removed from Brazilian national team

http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2017/08/27/buno-caboclo-removed-brazilian-national-team/

After a solid debut for the Brazilian senior men’s national team, Bruno Caboclo’s career on the FIBA circuit has gone off the rails quickly.

Reportedly upset with a substitution in the second quarter of Saturday’s game against Mexico, Caboclo refused to re-enter the game for the second half. He was allegedly pouting during warm-ups and refused to join the team after multiple pleas. As a result, he has been removed from the national team altogether, with the Brazilian basketball confederation citing an act of indiscipline as the reason.

Here’s the official statement from manager Renato Lamas, through Google translate and via Fabio Balassiano (and thanks to Mil Grau for sending along translated updates throughout):

“The athlete Bruno Caboclo committed an act of indiscipline, refusing to enter the court when the coach requested, was removed from the Brazilian national team. Based on the principles that guide the current management of the Brazilian Confederation, we can not allow any athlete to commit an act of indiscipline of this size wearing the shirt of the Brazilian National Team.â€

 

[The Nemesis]

Buno Caboclo removed from Brazilian national team

http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2017/08/27/buno-caboclo-removed-brazilian-national-team/

wow. Looks like, if nothing else, he has the NBA superstar attitude down. Now he just needs the skills to match.

 

[Budsfan]

wow. Looks like, if nothing else, he has the NBA superstar attitude down. Now he just needs the skills to match.

I'm not sure this bodes well for his future, having an attitude problem with the coach, he may find himself permanently benched, I hope this is an isolated incident.

 

[trellaine201]

I'm not sure this bodes well for his future, having an attitude problem with the coach, he may find himself permanently benched, I hope this is an isolated incident.

Yep, agreed. Raps management will not be impressed whatsoever. Who would.

 

[The Nemesis]

I'm not sure this bodes well for his future, having an attitude problem with the coach, he may find himself permanently benched, I hope this is an isolated incident.

Yeah. He hasn't come close to earning any sort of latitude to be a malcontent at the NBA level. Being a D-League all-star gets you jack **** on an NBA bench.

He's competing for roster spot #15 anyway, so he has zero leverage for any sort of asshattery.

 

[LeafChief]

I'm a HUGE Bruno guy.

I hope he can sort this out because it doesn't look great right now.

 

[TOGuy14]

Anyone have any context with what was happening when he refused to go back in?

Does he really dislike the coach or something?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Toronto Raptors' forward Bruno Caboclo issues an apology over Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYTWXZXndpt/

 

[hockeywiz542]

thomas, a second-team all-nba player for the boston celtics, was included in a trade to cleveland for four-time all-star kyrie irving on aug. 22, but uncertainty surrounding his anticipated return to the court has stalled the finalizing of the deal.

Cleveland and boston officials started to engage each other on a solution tuesday, league sources told espn. the cavs are no longer seeking one of the celtics' top young players, but they are still determined to land one of boston's first-round picks as compensation, and the conversation has included second-round considerations, too, league sources said.

the deadline to report and submit to a physical for the players involved in the trade is 10 a.m. Et wednesday, and the deadline to pass the physical is 10 a.m. Et thursday, per league rules.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Celtics are adding a 2020 2nd round pick(from the Heat) to complete the Kyrie trade

 

[The Nemesis]

all that posturing and grandstanding and rumors of asking for another 1st or Taytum/Brown and they end up taking what amounts to the most meaningless asset the NBA has outside of d-league fodder.

 

[dredeye]

all that posturing and grandstanding and rumors of asking for another 1st or Taytum/Brown and they end up taking what amounts to the most meaningless asset the NBA has outside of d-league fodder.

Assets are asset I suppose.

 

[Eyedea]

all that posturing and grandstanding and rumors of asking for another 1st or Taytum/Brown and they end up taking what amounts to the most meaningless asset the NBA has outside of d-league fodder.

Reminds me of the compensation for Farrell. Pedroia? Buchholz? Bard? Oh, Mike Aviles.

 

[hockeywiz542]

koby altman may be the latest person to call himself cleveland cavaliers general manager—the fourth in the past 12 years since dan gilbert bought the team—but multiple sources have told me that the cavs owner was the one calling the shots on the trade that sent irving to boston, and he’s the one dealing with the fallout. Gilbert’s dysfunctional ways are old news. Gilbert himself joked during altman’s introductory presser that his gms have four-year presidential terms. “a state of organizational chaos is gilbert’s m.o.,†one executive told me. “gilbert thinks he’s the protagonist in the story of the cavaliers, when, in reality, he’s the antagonist.â€

gilbert’s fingerprints were all over the drama that’s unfolded over the past week. Thomas’s health is what held up the deal, but according to multiple league sources with knowledge of cleveland’s thought process, the unprotected nets pick and crowder were the pieces that cleveland valued the most—those were the assets that got the deal done, not thomas. The perception of the trade was that the cavaliers and celtics swapped franchise point guards, but for the cleveland front office (and its owner), thomas was the icing, not the cake.

after all, the cavaliers likely had other trade opportunities on the table before agreeing to the boston package, and one of those could’ve been revived with a reversal. Arizona sports’ john gambadoro reported on august 23 that the bucks offered malcolm brogdon, khris middleton, and a first-rounder for irving (espn’s zach lowe reported on wednesday that the bucks were “on the fringes†if the celtics’ irving deal had fallen apart). Or, as multiple sources suggested, the cavs could have gone the lebron-friendly route, dealing irving to the suns for klutch sports client eric bledsoe and a versatile wing such as josh jackson or t.j. Warren. League sources have consistently stated that the suns wouldn’t include jackson, however.

it’s worth noting that, for all the concern over thomas’s hip, brogdon, middleton, and bledsoe would come with their own risks. In college, brogdon had surgery to fuse a bone in his left foot, which multiple front-office league sources have indicated drew medical red flags prior to the 2016 draft and could cause issues in the future. Middleton played only 29 regular-season games last season after preseason hamstring surgery. Bledsoe has played more than 70 games just three times in his seven-year career. And while we’re talking about health, irving has had two injury-shortened seasons. Thomas might be hurt, but the medical histories of the reported trade alternatives aren’t exactly encouraging, either.

as recently as this tuesday morning, the celtics had had only nominal contact with the cavaliers, according to multiple sources. Cleveland had not asked the celtics to add anything to the trade, despite woj’s previous reports. On tuesday evening, woj reported that the cavs had engaged with the celtics to “find a solution,†possibly including a late first- or a second-rounder instead of jayson tatum or jaylen brown. Then on wednesday, woj said on sportscenter that cleveland would not ask for anything extra to complete the trade.

now that the deal is done, gilbert won’t have to worry about looking like kevin pritchard. Altman, who was hired as david griffin’s replacement, deserves immense credit for landing a massive trade package for irving. crowder is the two-way player cleveland has desperately lacked, and he’s locked up on a cheap contract with three years and only $22 million left. Even if the nets pick isn’t in the top five, it could land the cavs a quality prospect in the top 10 or be used as a trade asset. Zizic is a young, hard-nosed big who could be a long-term starter.

Thomas truly is the bonus of the deal, and its biggest question mark. The little guy told wojnarowski he's “not damaged†and will return “the same player again." if his hip injury is manageable, he’ll be the cake’s icing, sprinkles, and the topper. Cleveland should be happy with the return.

 

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[The Nemesis]

On the one hand, I get that tanking sucks and watching teams go scorched earth if they decide they can't compete is part of the reason for the stupid imbalances in the league right now. It'd be nice if things were more competitive.

On the other hand, "disincentivizing tanking" ends up running contrary to the whole point of the draft and screws up a system designed to help distribute talent to teams that need it in the only way that can reliably target needy orgs (since they'll have a harder time signing good FAs and lack assets to make splashy trades.). If you make it harder for bad teams to keep their high picks, you run the risk that it becomes harder for them to escape the bottom of the well once they want to.

The problem is that there really isn't a perfect solution.

 

[Lightsol]

Let's be completely honest here, though; to the NBA head office, "draft reform" and "disincentivizing taking" means "trying to figure out ways to get the high prospects to the specific handful of NBA franchises WE want to do good".

Because seriously, any "reform" is likely to give the Celtics, the Lakers, the Knicks and the Bulls EVEN MORE help...

 

[Budsfan]

Masai Ujiri: ‘Vince Carter will be home in Toronto’

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/masai-ujiri-vince-carter-will-home-toronto/

Is Vince Carter coming “home†to Toronto?

Speaking at the premiere of The Carter Effect, a documentary on Carter, at the Toronto International Film Festival on Saturday, Toronto Raptors president Masai Ujiri claimed that the 40-year-old “will be home in Toronto†but did not elaborate.

There have been rumblings in the past of a potential return to the Raptors, but nothing ever came together. Carter is currently a member of the Sacramento Kings, having spent the previous three years with the Memphis Grizzlies.

What this potential “return†entails remains to be seen, but surely Ujiri will reveal the details at a later date.

Michael Grange‏Verified account @michaelgrange Sep 9

Masai Ujiri says 'Vince Carter will be home in Toronto' ... not sure what that means -- jersey retirement when time comes?

 

[inthe6ix]

Buno Caboclo removed from Brazilian national team

http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2017/08/27/buno-caboclo-removed-brazilian-national-team/

Sounds like a prima donna. Doesn't deserve to be on the Raps if that's how he treats his national team.

Disgraceful.

 

[inthe6ix]

why are the majority of your posts blank??

stop trying to quote tw1tter pls

 

[The Nemesis]

why are the majority of your posts blank??

stop trying to quote tw1tter pls

It's what he does. He rarely engages, just posts story and twitter links.

Technically he's doing nothing wrong, so you just sort of have to get used to it. At least it's usually of some amount of use, and he has improved from where we started (spamming multiple variations on the same article, well after everyone's already been discussing it, etc)