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YEM
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Worth noting that earlier in this tourny we saw an ump "coaching" a player during a match (kyrgios).
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They didn't help their reputation, that's for sure. Most of them probably don't care though
In other words she is fighting for women's rights to abuse the officials.
BTW: all those players did receive many violations, but they knew when to stop. Show me ONE man who did anything similar to Serena with two violations and got away with it...
And last but not least, Serena didn't get a game penalty for abusing the referee, she only got a code violation. The lost game came because she had 2 more...
In the first tweet she sais that the ump is wrong because he followed the rules....
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Wow, that's embarrassing for BJK to side with Serena on this.
As I said earlier, I'm still hoping Serena wakes up today embarrassed at what she did to tarnish Osaka's big moment. She was the better player all match and yet the crowd was solely focused on Serena's selfish tantrum.
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Insulting the umpire's integrity probably didn't help her cause.
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Actually the ump was going to call the match and make Kyrgios forfeit the match because he was once again "tanking". Like he did the week before when got 6-0 again Coric in the 2nd set at the Cincy masters. The fans don't come to watch players give away points on purpose what Kyrgios has a history of doing when he doesn't get his way. Im sure if Kyrgios kept doing what he did the umpire would have called the game, the umpire was even called out for doing it saying it was not his job to go down and give a verbal warning by other players on the tour.
Anyway Serena has a history of this
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Some aspects of Serena's rant/tirade that I thought were atypical of rants you'd normally see:
- not at all expletive-filled
- specific to the situation and not the kind of rant you'd see from someone who loses his/her cool frequently
- included specific personal accusations against the umpire as well as more run-of-the-mill insults
- notable in that she made an order (i.e. an apology) and just wouldn't let it go. At. All.
To me the cheating warning/violation was poor because every coach does it (though some hide it better than others), but his other two decisions were in line with the standards among the top men/women in the game today (though there are individuals who've occasionally gotten away with it in generations past).
- not at all expletive-filled
- specific to the situation and not the kind of rant you'd see from someone who loses his/her cool frequently
- included specific personal accusations against the umpire as well as more run-of-the-mill insults
- notable in that she made an order (i.e. an apology) and just wouldn't let it go. At. All.
To me the cheating warning/violation was poor because every coach does it (though some hide it better than others), but his other two decisions were in line with the standards among the top men/women in the game today (though there are individuals who've occasionally gotten away with it in generations past).
Yeesh, that was ugly. I felt absolutely terrible for Osaka. She played an incredible tournament, showed zero sign of nerves in her first major final, and most likely would have won anyway, only to have what should have been one of the best moments of her life stolen from her. Judging by her age and ability I don't think this is going to be her last win, so I really hope the next one ends better for her.
Regarding Serena, everyone seems to want to turn this into a hero or villain situation, but I dunno, is it possible to admit that she has very legitimate grievances with regard to how she's been treated by tennis establishment (and that most likely affects her perception of incidents like last night) AND that she also has a history of not reacting to losing all that well? Like, there's zero question that she's had to deal with a LOT of crap that no white and/or male player of her stature would have had to, and that there have been times when she's been genuinely treated unfairly (didn't the challenge system literally become a thing due to a match where she was repeatedly screwed over on line calls?). But also, I don't think it's a coincidence that these meltdowns always seem to happen in similar situations -- when she runs into a player who's white hot and she can't find an answer for their play, whether it be Clijsters, Stosur, or now Osaka. She's an icon and is rightfully lauded for many things, but she's also a person with flaws. Two things can be true.
When it comes to the chair umpire, I agree with a comment I saw that tennis officials desperately need to have some sort of get together to iron out just what is expected of them. Because while there's always some degree of interpretation involved in these things, right now there seems to be way to much that depends on the umpire's discretion. Yes, according to the rulebook all three of Serena's violations last night were justified, but I can understand why people would get upset when the whole situation unfolded in the same tournament where a different chair umpire literally climbed out of his chair to give a pep talk to a player. I do think some of the accusations being thrown at Carlos Ramos are unfair though, since people who follow tennis closely all seem to agree that he's known to be a stickler for the rules, and will basically call any infraction he sees regardless of who, when, or where. It was actually interesting that Serena's coach brought up Nadal in his interview, because I don't know about coaching violations but I'm almost certain that Ramos is one of the few umpires I've seen call Rafa on his (often egregious) time violations. Personally I'd prefer an strict, but consistently strict official to one who picks and chooses when to penalize infractions, which only leads to situations where players get used to getting away with things and feel like they're being treated unfairly when they actually get called on them (I've also never agreed with the idea of officials "playing to the score/situation" -- their job should be to enforce the rules, not decide when and where the rules apply). That being said, I also saw Michael Farber point out that the best officials tend to be the ones who are able to de-escalate tense situations rather than escalating them, and I don't think it would have hurt Ramos to have given Serena a soft warning before the third violation, even if it was just a reminder that the next one would cost her a game.
Regarding Serena, everyone seems to want to turn this into a hero or villain situation, but I dunno, is it possible to admit that she has very legitimate grievances with regard to how she's been treated by tennis establishment (and that most likely affects her perception of incidents like last night) AND that she also has a history of not reacting to losing all that well? Like, there's zero question that she's had to deal with a LOT of crap that no white and/or male player of her stature would have had to, and that there have been times when she's been genuinely treated unfairly (didn't the challenge system literally become a thing due to a match where she was repeatedly screwed over on line calls?). But also, I don't think it's a coincidence that these meltdowns always seem to happen in similar situations -- when she runs into a player who's white hot and she can't find an answer for their play, whether it be Clijsters, Stosur, or now Osaka. She's an icon and is rightfully lauded for many things, but she's also a person with flaws. Two things can be true.
When it comes to the chair umpire, I agree with a comment I saw that tennis officials desperately need to have some sort of get together to iron out just what is expected of them. Because while there's always some degree of interpretation involved in these things, right now there seems to be way to much that depends on the umpire's discretion. Yes, according to the rulebook all three of Serena's violations last night were justified, but I can understand why people would get upset when the whole situation unfolded in the same tournament where a different chair umpire literally climbed out of his chair to give a pep talk to a player. I do think some of the accusations being thrown at Carlos Ramos are unfair though, since people who follow tennis closely all seem to agree that he's known to be a stickler for the rules, and will basically call any infraction he sees regardless of who, when, or where. It was actually interesting that Serena's coach brought up Nadal in his interview, because I don't know about coaching violations but I'm almost certain that Ramos is one of the few umpires I've seen call Rafa on his (often egregious) time violations. Personally I'd prefer an strict, but consistently strict official to one who picks and chooses when to penalize infractions, which only leads to situations where players get used to getting away with things and feel like they're being treated unfairly when they actually get called on them (I've also never agreed with the idea of officials "playing to the score/situation" -- their job should be to enforce the rules, not decide when and where the rules apply). That being said, I also saw Michael Farber point out that the best officials tend to be the ones who are able to de-escalate tense situations rather than escalating them, and I don't think it would have hurt Ramos to have given Serena a soft warning before the third violation, even if it was just a reminder that the next one would cost her a game.
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Serena's the GOAT for female tennis IMO. Still her antics last night and in the past are unfortunate. Really took away from Osaka's big moment. Shame on Serena.
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I wonder what other sports allows players to abuse a ref to the degree Serena did (and of course, she is not the only one in the history of tennis), regardless whether the ref was right or wrong, and then create a narrative in which she is some sort of victim. In any other sport not only you are thrown out of the game immediately, but also face a lengthy suspension.
Perhaps it’s time that tennis came down hard on player tantrums. If their psyche is too fragile, and they have to have this sort of abusive reaction, perhaps tennis is not for them, and they can find solace and less stress in a typical 9-5 job.
Serena has been a total disgrace in this final, and this disgrace is only apmlified by the subsequent accusations of sexism against the ref.
Perhaps it’s time that tennis came down hard on player tantrums. If their psyche is too fragile, and they have to have this sort of abusive reaction, perhaps tennis is not for them, and they can find solace and less stress in a typical 9-5 job.
Serena has been a total disgrace in this final, and this disgrace is only apmlified by the subsequent accusations of sexism against the ref.
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Even first set. Then Djokovic capitalized on the one break point and win the set.
Delpo's fearsome forehand was largely absent in the first. He's become a tad more aggressive in the second. But he's still faced break points against his serve.
US open crowd watch: delpo fans very vocal. Other than that, pretty fair to each. Djokovic, to his credit, hasn't done anything to get on the crowds bad side.
Delpo's fearsome forehand was largely absent in the first. He's become a tad more aggressive in the second. But he's still faced break points against his serve.
US open crowd watch: delpo fans very vocal. Other than that, pretty fair to each. Djokovic, to his credit, hasn't done anything to get on the crowds bad side.
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YEM
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so you tell that to the player and move along
you don't crouch at his side and have a heart-to-heart with him for minutes
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The ump got in trouble for that and it was totally warranted. He overstepped the boundary and I doubt he'll do it again.
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