GDT: UFC 212: Aldo vs. Holloway

[Neutrinos]

Seriously dude? He's the champ, he can say what he wants....which was all very humble and complimentary to Aldo/Brazil while they were booing him lol.
I like the laid back attitude of Max and Stipe, maybe not good for promotion but it's refreshing.

Any fighter is allowed to say what they want, regardless if they hold the belt

And I'm allowed to be critical of it

 

[Make It Biznasty*]

Personally, I could do without the post-fight shout-out to Christ

It's unoriginal and unnecessary

you complain about the dumbest ****

 

[LSCII]

Aldo by first round KO if someone wants to make some money.

So uh, what are you going to do with all that money you won...

 

[LSCII]

So, those super fights and retiring as champion are gone for Jose. No way McGregor gives him a rematch after this and really, with such a non-competitive fight with Holloway, he doesn't deserve a rematch with Max either. Time for Jose to wrap it up and retire. He can't take a punch anymore. You give him wrestlers like Edgar, he looks great, you give him an above average striker, he gets dropped.

 

[Wood Stick]

So, those super fights and retiring as champion are gone for Jose. No way McGregor gives him a rematch after this and really, with such a non-competitive fight with Holloway, he doesn't deserve a rematch with Max either. Time for Jose to wrap it up and retire. He can't take a punch anymore. You give him wrestlers like Edgar, he looks great, you give him an above average striker, he gets dropped.

Absolutely none of this makes sense at all. Conor and Max fought nearly 4 years ago.Max has won 11 straight with dominant wins over Stephens, Lamas, Swanson and Pettis - along with a finish of Aldo.

As for Aldo, his chin wasn't the issue. He took a lot of damage and didn't go out.

Edgar vs Max in Hawaii stadium

Aldo vs Pettis at 150 lbs seem like some cool ideas to me.

 

[Asiantuntija]

So, those super fights and retiring as champion are gone for Jose. No way McGregor gives him a rematch after this and really, with such a non-competitive fight with Holloway, he doesn't deserve a rematch with Max either. Time for Jose to wrap it up and retire. He can't take a punch anymore. You give him wrestlers like Edgar, he looks great, you give him an above average striker, he gets dropped.

For the first message, everyone makes mistakes one in a while.

Agreed with this. Jose is a shadow from old times. Time to retire, he doesn't have timing anymore.

 

[LSCII]

Absolutely none of this makes sense at all. Conor and Max fought nearly 4 years ago.Max has won 11 straight with dominant wins over Stephens, Lamas, Swanson and Pettis - along with a finish of Aldo.

As for Aldo, his chin wasn't the issue. He took a lot of damage and didn't go out.

Edgar vs Max in Hawaii stadium

Aldo vs Pettis at 150 lbs seem like some cool ideas to me.

I think you misread this. I was talking about Aldo. No reason for McGregor to rematch him now. No reason for Max to rematch him either, as that fight last night was remarkably non-competitive.

I'd love to see McGregor and Holloway go again. I doubt McGregor is willing to drop down, but I like both fighters and would really love to see them fight a second time, given how far each as come since their last fight.

And I disagree with you about Aldo's chin. It's exactly why he found himself on the ground with Max pummeling him. He got buttoned and dropped like he's been doing since the second fight with Mendes.

 

[Suxnet]

Great win by Max. Didn't think he'd be able to hold on after taking those big shots early on, but he found his groove and adapted mid-fight and won.

 

[Avs_19]

Aldo doesn't need to retire. He's only 30 years old and is still competitive. I think this would be the perfect time for him to finally stop torturing himself to make 145 and move up to LW. He'll have fresh match-ups and some potentially very fun fights.

 

[LSCII]

Aldo doesn't need to retire. He's only 30 years old and is still competitive. I think this would be the perfect time for him to finally stop torturing himself to make 145 and move up to LW. He'll have fresh match-ups and some potentially very fun fights.

It's not the years, it's the mileage. Guy has logged a ton of time in the cage, and has had many hard rounds against top competition. Him moving up doesn't solve that. In fact it makes things worse, IMO. Bigger guys with more knock out power does not bode well for a guy who is getting dropped by guys in his own division. Fegurson would eat him alive. Eddie Alvarez would rip him apart.

 

[vwg*]

Aldo is still better than the vast majority of MMA fighters and is only 30. So what he hasn't been as dominant as he was early in his career. It's completely asinine to suggest he should retire after losing to some of the top fighters in his division. Just completely over-the-top ridiculous.

 

[Vagrant]

These slow starts for Holloway are really weird. I'm not sure if it was just the pressure of fighting Aldo or what, but to take a full round to get comfortable and to eat some big shots during the transition just seems excessive. If CMG ever comes back, it's going to be a really difficult storm to weather. I thought Aldo had this one wrapped up, but his chin seems really diminished. It might be time to adopt a strategy of working behind that jab exclusively like GSP, because it's still incredible. Getting into these arms races doesn't favor a fading chin.

 

[LSCII]

For the first message, everyone makes mistakes one in a while.

Agreed with this. Jose is a shadow from old times. Time to retire, he doesn't have timing anymore.

Ha! I was just messing with you. But yeah, KO'd in two of his last 3 fights is not a good omen for the future. His chin has been suspect since Mendes 2, IMO.

 

[LSCII]

These slow starts for Holloway are really weird. I'm not sure if it was just the pressure of fighting Aldo or what, but to take a full round to get comfortable and to eat some big shots during the transition just seems excessive. If CMG ever comes back, it's going to be a really difficult storm to weather. I thought Aldo had this one wrapped up, but his chin seems really diminished. It might be time to adopt a strategy of working behind that jab exclusively like GSP, because it's still incredible. Getting into these arms races doesn't favor a fading chin.

Couldn't agree more with this if I wanted to. You give him a wrestler and he's great. You put him in with a real striker, and it's bad news for him.

 

[kurt]

So, those super fights and retiring as champion are gone for Jose. No way McGregor gives him a rematch after this and really, with such a non-competitive fight with Holloway, he doesn't deserve a rematch with Max either. Time for Jose to wrap it up and retire. He can't take a punch anymore. You give him wrestlers like Edgar, he looks great, you give him an above average striker, he gets dropped.

I'm not sure if you and I watched the same fight. Can't take a punch? Did you see how long he held on for, and how many blows he took? Sure, he got rocked (as anyone can), but he was still alive and scrambling despite getting absolutely smashed.

I definitely don't think it's time for him to wrap it up. Not even close. He could easily get back to a title shot at 145, but would likely need to step aside for a Holloway/Edgar fight first. If he got a win against a top five guy he'd be next in line for a rematch.

Agreed with this. Jose is a shadow from old times. Time to retire, he doesn't have timing anymore.

What? Why do guys need to retire when they can't win a belt? Should Wonderboy retire? Aldo has tons of opportunity left in the sport if he wants to stick around.

Aldo doesn't need to retire. He's only 30 years old and is still competitive. I think this would be the perfect time for him to finally stop torturing himself to make 145 and move up to LW. He'll have fresh match-ups and some potentially very fun fights.

Yeah, I agree. There are some really tough fights at the top of the lightweight division, but he could definitely work himself into the top 5-10 and the UFC could put together some very interesting fights. I don't think it's over for him at 145 either though, if he's able to stick around there.

It's not the years, it's the mileage. Guy has logged a ton of time in the cage, and has had many hard rounds against top competition. Him moving up doesn't solve that. In fact it makes things worse, IMO. Bigger guys with more knock out power does not bode well for a guy who is getting dropped by guys in his own division. Fegurson would eat him alive. Eddie Alvarez would rip him apart.

Ferguson would definitely be a tough fight, but I'm not so sure about Alvarez. I'd definitely love to see it. I feel like Alvarez leaves himself open to take damage a lot. And we have no idea what kind of Aldo we would see at 155. He might have gas for days, and look faster than ever.

Aldo is still better than the vast majority of MMA fighters and is only 30. So what he hasn't been as dominant as he was early in his career. It's completely asinine to suggest he should retire after losing to some of the top fighters in his division. Just completely over-the-top ridiculous.

Exactly. This talk happens all the time, and is always ridiculous. People need to give their heads a shake sometimes. Let the guy earn a living.

 

[LSCII]

I'm not sure if you and I watched the same fight. Can't take a punch? Did you see how long he held on for, and how many blows he took? Sure, he got rocked (as anyone can), but he was still alive and scrambling despite getting absolutely smashed.

I definitely don't think it's time for him to wrap it up. Not even close. He could easily get back to a title shot at 145, but would likely need to step aside for a Holloway/Edgar fight first. If he got a win against a top five guy he'd be next in line for a rematch.



What? Why do guys need to retire when they can't win a belt? Should Wonderboy retire? Aldo has tons of opportunity left in the sport if he wants to stick around.



Yeah, I agree. There are some really tough fights at the top of the lightweight division, but he could definitely work himself into the top 5-10 and the UFC could put together some very interesting fights. I don't think it's over for him at 145 either though, if he's able to stick around there.



Ferguson would definitely be a tough fight, but I'm not so sure about Alvarez. I'd definitely love to see it. I feel like Alvarez leaves himself open to take damage a lot. And we have no idea what kind of Aldo we would see at 155. He might have gas for days, and look faster than ever.



Exactly. This talk happens all the time, and is always ridiculous. People need to give their heads a shake sometimes. Let the guy earn a living.

Let me clarify a bit. When I say he can't take a punch anymore, what I'm really saying is that punches that he once walked through now tend to put him on his seat. And the recovery from those seems to take longer, which results in him eating more of them than he has in the past. For example, the amount of punches he took from Holloway once he got knocked down was uncomfortable. He took them and took too many of them, but I get that they were in Brazil and tried to give him every chance to recover.

So when I say he can't take a punch anymore, it's really about those punches having a bigger effect on him than in previous years. It's like how the older you get the less enjoyable roller coasters are for a segment of the population. It's an inner ear thing and your equilibrium doesn't bounce back like it used to. This is the effect I think Aldo is suffering from. The cumulative effect of all the 5 round wars he's been in make him an old 30, in terms of mileage. Like how LeBron James is an old 32 in basektball years because of all the extra playoff games he's been in. If that helps clarify it a bit.

 

[Asiantuntija]

What? Why do guys need to retire when they can't win a belt? Should Wonderboy retire? Aldo has tons of opportunity left in the sport if he wants to stick around.

Wonderboy got robbed in his second fight, it's clearly different scenario than getting your ass totally whooped. Holloway only played with Aldo two first rounds, it was pretty easy fight for him. Holloway taunt's at end of the second round was excellent, they went straight inside of Aldo's head.

Aldo probably has some huge injury with his legs, he doesn't use his best weapon anymore. Holloway was open all night long for leg kicks so there's got to be reason why Aldo didn't use them.

Ha! I was just messing with you. But yeah, KO'd in two of his last 3 fights is not a good omen for the future. His chin has been suspect since Mendes 2, IMO.

Haha yes his chin seems to be pretty weak, he doesn't have stamina and his leg probably doesn't last those kicks anymore. Every dog has their days.

 

[m9]

Aldo just used his leg kicks in his last fight vs Edgar. Weird he didn't use them Saturday, but it's not an ongoing issue.

As for him being an "old 30", he has fought only 1-2 times a year for the bulk of his career. I don't see it.

The division has just caught up to him, same thing that happens to lots of fighters. He's still one of the best around.

Anyone saying he should retire or he's done is just plain stupid. It's the typical dumb stuff you hear whenever someone loses a big fight. It makes no sense, but this same opinion has been put out there by uneducated fans for years.

 

[MD thaivuN]

Aldo just used his leg kicks in his last fight vs Edgar. Weird he didn't use them Saturday, but it's not an ongoing issue.

Actually he didn't. He didn't throw a single leg kick against Edgar in that fight. Aldo limited most of his offense to a jab, a cross and intercepting knees.

It's been a trend that Jose Aldo uses his kicks less and lesser. Could be injury-related issues.

 

[m9]

Actually he didn't. He didn't throw a single leg kick against Edgar in that fight. Aldo limited most of his offense to a jab, a cross and intercepting knees.

It's been a trend that Jose Aldo uses his kicks less and lesser. Could be injury-related issues.

Hmm, fair enough. Makes sense in that fight though as he might have been afraid of a takedown. Not an issue with Max.

 

[MD thaivuN]

Rewatching the Aldo vs Holloway fight. The very first time Aldo tries to throw a leg kick, Holloway counters Aldo's kick by stepping in as Aldo throws the kick and lands a clean one-two combination in the first round. That's some beautiful stuff.

Looking at how Holloway was moving, he was ready to step into the kick and counter all night.

Might argue round 1 was the most important round for Max since he sealed Aldo's kick there

 

[Asiantuntija]

Rewatching the Aldo vs Holloway fight. The very first time Aldo tries to throw a leg kick, Holloway counters Aldo's kick by stepping in as Aldo throws the kick and lands a clean one-two combination in the first round. That's some beautiful stuff.

Looking at how Holloway was moving, he was ready to step into the kick and counter all night.

Might argue round 1 was the most important round for Max since he sealed Aldo's kick there

Yes one kick at whole fight. Maybe he should try some more ? Or maybe problem could be that Aldo doesn't have skills to set anything up

 

[MD thaivuN]

Yes one kick at whole fight. Maybe he should try some more ? Or maybe problem could be that Aldo doesn't have skills to set anything up

A lot harder said than done.

Holloway is pressuring him completely from round 2, giving Aldo different kind of looks and no time to breath or think by attacking first and returning fire on almost all of Aldo's counters. Aldo doesn't have that time and space to work that kicking game, especially if Holloway is already targeting to counter the kick.

 

[Asiantuntija]

A lot harder said than done.

Holloway is pressuring him completely from round 2, giving Aldo different kind of looks and no time to breath or think by attacking first and returning fire on almost all of Aldo's counters. Aldo doesn't have that time and space to work that kicking game, especially if Holloway is already targeting to counter the kick.

Ok, then Aldo ain't that good in those kicks. Because many fighters had success with kicking Holloways legs. If you ask from me leg was open for kicks. Aldo should time the kick better to avoid the counter. I still think he can't throw them from same angles he use to at old times.

 

[Deen]

Holloway can't beat McGregor.