U.S. National Team Part VII
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bleedblue1223
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Our problem is much more of a talent issue. When our vets were in their primes, we had multiple players that could create. Dempsey and Donovan could create magic, Bradley could be a playmaker from the CM spot. While those guys had top-end abilities, you also had guys of the Kljestan level supplement them to make for a more balanced attack. With our current squads, and more importantly, for 2018, our only high-end creative force is Pulisic. That's a massive problem because we still don't know what he will provide on the international level, and he will also be the main target for oppositions.
Is the next generation going to be as good or better than the Donovan, Dempsey, Howard, Bradley, etc. era? We don't know yet, Pulisic looks to be on the Donovan/Dempsey tier, but we need more. Julian Green was supposed to be where Pulisic was, so does he get on track or does he fall off?
If we can't successfully replace Dempsey, Jones, Bradley, then we are screwed regardless. Even when those guys were in their prime, we needed to upgrade positions, but now we can't even think about upgrading spots where guys like Jozy have been doing an above average grade at, but nothing spectacular, now we have to worry about passing the torch at key positions.
Bradley/Jones are at a point where Reyna/Mastroeni were at in 2006. If we don't develop a new partnership for 2018, we won't get out of the group.
Is the next generation going to be as good or better than the Donovan, Dempsey, Howard, Bradley, etc. era? We don't know yet, Pulisic looks to be on the Donovan/Dempsey tier, but we need more. Julian Green was supposed to be where Pulisic was, so does he get on track or does he fall off?
If we can't successfully replace Dempsey, Jones, Bradley, then we are screwed regardless. Even when those guys were in their prime, we needed to upgrade positions, but now we can't even think about upgrading spots where guys like Jozy have been doing an above average grade at, but nothing spectacular, now we have to worry about passing the torch at key positions.
Bradley/Jones are at a point where Reyna/Mastroeni were at in 2006. If we don't develop a new partnership for 2018, we won't get out of the group.
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LemmyUlanov55
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Anyone has a quick rundown for me on Klinsmann's history with the team? Very short. I get he's blamed for having stifled the team but I didn't follow all too closely. What did he do to get criticised?
bleedblue1223
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Is it lack of effort or just a declining ability in individuals? I'd lean more towards declining ability.
It could be a combination of both. But any coaches job in all sports is to try to put their players in the best position to succeed. Can we say he did? He isnt the fundamental problem with what is wrong with American soccer, but he isnt the solution. Right now they need to make a hite based on someone who they think can qualify. They have 8 games left, they probably need 15 points.
kingsboy11
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While the Hex is rather forgiving in qualifying for the World Cup and the odds for us to still advance to Russia is still very likely, Mexico needed a 90th minute equalizer from the US against Panama to win that 4th place spot to go head to head against New Zealand to qualify for Brazil. It is a realistic possibility that we won't qualify for Russia. So while some may say that re-hiring Arena isn't really a step forward, there are a lot of positives in that he's familiar with the Program and has experience in World Cup Qualifying.
At this point right now, we need to get our priorities straightened out and our priority right now is qualify for Russia.
Give Arena the keys until the World Cup and then replace him not long after. I'm also jumping on the Pareja bandwagon, but it would be foolish to offer him the job at this point. The ideal scenario would to have been fire Klinsmann after the 2015 Gold Cup and got someone like Pareja, but Gulati waited too long.
Gooch
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Is he really that familiar with the program? He last managed USA over 13 years ago. What makes him more familiar with the players than say any other MLS coach?
chasespace
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Overperformed in friendlies, underperformed in competitions(or didn't improve upon his predecessor). Would blame his failures on players or fans not understanding "how football works".
Ugmo
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Was hired (at three to four times the salary of his predecessor) to elevate the program and set it on the path to consistently compete with the world's top powers, but actually made the team worse. Blamed everyone but himself for the lack of progress, including the players, the media, the fans and MLS. And did so for five years, mostly with the attitude that anyone who was criticizing him just doesn't know much about soccer. I've never been so glad to see a sports coach get fired.
Basement Cat
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Predictions as to which players gain the most from this and which lose out? *Assuming it's Bruce.
Gain:
-Feilhaber: Think he finally gets a callup to help steer the ship through qualifying, but I doubt that he gets to go to Russia.
-Nagbe: We are in desperate need of a CM who can control the ball in tight spaces. He starts at least one of the next two WCQ.
-Lletget: He deserves some callups and that is exactly what he will get with his club manager now in control of the national squad.
-Dax McCarty: Will become the Kyle Beckerman of this cycle
-Agudelo
-Hedges
-English Championship players such as Ream and Lichaj will be getting calls over BL2 players.
-Landon Donovan
Lose:
-Wondo, Beckerman, Orozco: Thank you for your service, but good riddance.
-Chandler: Won't see him for a while IMO
-Jones: Will be phased out much quicker now that JK is gone.
-Bedoya: Nagbe replaces him
-Johansson: Think he is way down on the depth chart now..behind Jozy, Wood, Morris, Agudelo, Zardes, Dempsey
Howard
Yedlin-Cameron-Brooks-Johnson
McCarty-Bradley
Nagbe-Klejstan-Pulisic
--------Wood
Gain:
-Feilhaber: Think he finally gets a callup to help steer the ship through qualifying, but I doubt that he gets to go to Russia.
-Nagbe: We are in desperate need of a CM who can control the ball in tight spaces. He starts at least one of the next two WCQ.
-Lletget: He deserves some callups and that is exactly what he will get with his club manager now in control of the national squad.
-Dax McCarty: Will become the Kyle Beckerman of this cycle
-Agudelo
-Hedges
-English Championship players such as Ream and Lichaj will be getting calls over BL2 players.
-Landon Donovan
Lose:
-Wondo, Beckerman, Orozco: Thank you for your service, but good riddance.
-Chandler: Won't see him for a while IMO
-Jones: Will be phased out much quicker now that JK is gone.
-Bedoya: Nagbe replaces him
-Johansson: Think he is way down on the depth chart now..behind Jozy, Wood, Morris, Agudelo, Zardes, Dempsey
Howard
Yedlin-Cameron-Brooks-Johnson
McCarty-Bradley
Nagbe-Klejstan-Pulisic
--------Wood
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bluesfan94
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Psst - it wasn't that JK trashed MLS and encouraged players to play in Europe that got him fired. It wasn't that he recruited dual nationals that got him fired. It wasn't the Donovan debacle, which was so amazingly stupid, that got him fired. It wasn't that the US is just too average to ever be better, tho he will have you believe that. It wasn't that he was ahead of his time and the fans just didn't understand the process, tho he thinks that's true too. It wasn't that the young system of pay to play sucks, or that no other country in the world has a college system of players.
No. He got fired because JK is an absolutely terrible coach. He always has been. He always will be. He survived all of those things. He could not survive being constantly outcoached when we played a team with any sort of talent.
Maybe we can hire Philip Lahm after Arena, and really troll the **** out of JK?
No. He got fired because JK is an absolutely terrible coach. He always has been. He always will be. He survived all of those things. He could not survive being constantly outcoached when we played a team with any sort of talent.
Maybe we can hire Philip Lahm after Arena, and really troll the **** out of JK?
ScottishCanuck
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If you expected Klinsmann to make the US a "top power" you were just asking to be disappointed. I don't really agree that the team is worse than when he took over, but they have underperformed in domestic competition.
I think people dislike him so much more for his unlikeability and air of European football elitism, which rubs sensitive Americans that have always dealt with that for years the wrong way, than his x's and 0's. I get why that would be insane to tolerate if the results don't match. Bruce Arena isn't an upgrade in my estimation, but he's American and familiar.
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Alex Jones
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Not that Klinsmann is a good manager or anything, but I don't understand how people think that the United States is suddenly going to compete with the rest of the world, because US players simply aren't very good. It's hard for me to watch a USA match and see the quality out there to compete with top level sides, especially going forward.
To me it's a lot less a problem of coaching as a problem of simply not having the necessary manpower. If anything, it seems to me that the United States consistently overperforms their talent level, not underperforms.
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