Value of: Tyson Barrie to Edmonton

[780il]

Let's see if I can piss off all 3 fanbases

Avs & Oilers get aggressive about prying their windows of contention open, while the Rangers load up on higher-end futures (& 1 reclamation project) for their rebuild. While still having other pieces they can sell as rentals at the TDL.


COL (+): Draisaitl + Rieder
COL (-): OTT FRP + Barrie + Kerfoot

EDM (+): Zibanejad + Barrie + Kreider
EDM (-): Draisaitl + Bear + Rieder + Puljujarvi + EDM FRP

NYR (+): OTT FRP + EDM FRP + Bear* + Kerfoot* + Puljujarvi
NYR (-): Zibanejad + Kreider


*tweaked to taste; i.e. Bear re-routed to Colorado in favor Timmins, Kerf being swapped out for Bowers, etc. as preferred.


Oilers (based on lineup from their latest GDT)
RNH - McDavid - Kreider
Caggiula - Zibanejad - Chiasson
Lucic - Strome/Marody - Rattie
Khaira - Brodziak - Kassian
( Yamamoto )

Nurse - Larsson
Klefblom - Barrie
Russell - Benning
Garrison/Gravel
( Bouchard )

Talbot
Koskinen


Avs
Landy - MacK - Rantanen
Jost - Draisaitl - Compher
Reider - Soderberg - Wilson
Calvert - Kam - Andrighetto
Gork / Longbeach-native
(Kaut / Shvyryov / Bowers)

Girard - EJ
Cole - Zadorov
Nemeth - Makar
Barberio
(Meloche / Timmins)

Varlamov
Grubauer
Francouz


Avs fans will hate me for moving both Barrie & the OTT FRP for just one guy “that the Ottawa pick could end up being better than anyway”; Oilers fans will hate me for moving Drai and not getting back a #1 dman; and NYR fans will hate me for moving Zibby and Kreider for magic beans. I think I finally did it out guys.

Nope

 

[48g90a138pts]

I hope the Oilers organization have a leash on Chiarelli towards trading away 1st OA draft picks.

Sorry, Barrie isn't worth Nuge.
And the plus is too large for the Dr.

I have a huge doubt there's going to be any large deals coming out of Edmonton in the near future. Fans are not too happy with ole Petey's performance.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

How much is Edmonton willing to pay for an "exceptional passer"? He put on a good show for the Edmonton front office on Sunday.

Barrie + for Draisaitl?
RNH+ for Barrie?

Barrie +++ for draisatl and still probably no.
RNH > Barrie (unless Barrie recently switched to his natural left wing position).

 

[ImNeverWrong]

People scoffing at drai for Barrie... They traded hall for MUCH less. Lol

 

[MisterT]

People scoffing at drai for Barrie... They traded hall for MUCH less. Lol

Although the Oilers lost the Hall-Larsson deal, at least Larsson can play defense - the position that should be addressed. Barrie's lack of defensive zone skill would be exposed in Edmonton and definitely doesn't return the OP ask. As the Oilers window is opening, they can afford to wait on Bouchard's development and he'll likely be a far superior two-way option for any team.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Barrie +++ for draisatl and still probably no.
RNH > Barrie (unless Barrie recently switched to his natural left wing position).

Barrie isn't worth Drai straight up. Nobody should be disputing that.

The rest of your comment isn't even worth replying to. It's a very weak attempt at trolling and a pretty inaccurate statement.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Although the Oilers lost the Hall-Larsson deal, at least Larsson can play defense - the position that should be addressed. Barrie's lack of defensive zone skill would be exposed in Edmonton and definitely doesn't return the OP ask. As the Oilers window is opening, they can afford to wait on Bouchard's development and he'll likely be a far superior two-way option for any team.

Surprising that Barrie is so awful at defense he still manages to be a plus 12 (league leading fwiw).

Barrie isn't some defensive stalwart by any measure, but he isn't a sieve either.

 

[cgf]

Nope

 

[Mr Positive]

I hope the Oilers organization have a leash on Chiarelli towards trading away 1st OA draft picks.

Sorry, Barrie isn't worth Nuge.
And the plus is too large for the Dr.

I have a huge doubt there's going to be any large deals coming out of Edmonton in the near future. Fans are not too happy with ole Petey's performance.

For the Oil I'd say for sure Barrie is worth Nuge. I like Barrie though

 

[Mr Positive]

I dont know why Colorado would move Barrie. If the Oil wanted him they should have got him while there was contract friction and the Avs weren't winning

 

[ManofSteel55]

I dont wer why Colorado would move Barrie. If the Oil wanted him they should have got him while there was contract friction and the Avs weren't winning

This. Now he will cost to much to acquire, if the possibility is even there.

 

[Eltuna]

I dont wer why Colorado would move Barrie. If the Oil wanted him they should have got him while there was contract friction and the Avs weren't winning

I don’t think Barrie is on the block or anything, but there are some reasons why trading him could be a good choice. The Avs have a big hole on the second line Center position and Barrie can get a guy that could fix it. With Makar putting up such huge numbers in college and with the emergence of Girard, it might be easier for the Avs to replace Barrie internally than it is to find a good 2C internally.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don’t think Barrie is on the block or anything, but there are some reasons why trading him could be a good choice. The Avs have a big hole on the second line Center position and Barrie can get a guy that could fix it. With Makar putting up such huge numbers in college and with the emergence of Girard, it might be easier for the Avs to replace Barrie internally than it is to find a good 2C internally.

The Aves aren't going to trade Barrie and bank on Makar just yet though. Girard is a possibility though.

 

[McSuper]

Im actually an Oilers fan. I just dont ovverate my own guys and put down other players like 90% of this board.

Maybe but it sounds more like you are listening to NYR fans who overrate the shit out of Kreider . Kreider is a nice piece and i would like to have him on a 2nd line with RNH however NYR fans will tell us he is an elite player with untapped potential while the will call Puljujarvi a bust at his age . At his age Kreider is what he is . Both Barrie and Kreider would be great adds but not at the cost you are suggesting

 

[MisterT]

Surprising that Barrie is so awful at defense he still manages to be a plus 12 (league leading fwiw).

Barrie isn't some defensive stalwart by any measure, but he isn't a sieve either.

Career -44 based upon that measure and that's with sheltering and given ~ 60% offensive zone starts throughout his career.

The guy has value as a PMD and would be a better fit elsewhere but to make him the main piece to acquire a younger, top line forward is just an Avs fan's wet dream.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Career -44 based upon that measure and that's with sheltering and given ~ 60% offensive zone starts throughout his career.

The guy has value as a PMD and would be a better fit elsewhere but to make him the main piece to acquire a younger, top line forward is just an Avs fan's wet dream.

Barrie puts up points. A lot of points. This year he isn't trash defensively like you're implying here. Teams aren't trading for his past as much as they are for what he is right now. What he is right now matters more than any past failures.

Top offensive d men that produce like he does are valued a lot more. If Adam Larsson nabs Hall, RNH is an underpayment for Barrie.

 

[ImNeverWrong]

Although the Oilers lost the Hall-Larsson deal, at least Larsson can play defense - the position that should be addressed. Barrie's lack of defensive zone skill would be exposed in Edmonton and definitely doesn't return the OP ask. As the Oilers window is opening, they can afford to wait on Bouchard's development and he'll likely be a far superior two-way option for any team.

Dont bs me. Barrie is much more valuable than Larsson. PMDs that can qb a pp are one of the most valued commodities in hockey and Barrie is amongst the best at that. Larsson is a middle pairing dman that provides no offense. And contrary to popular belief hes not that bad at defense. Oilers have enough guys that focus on the defensive end that can allow for Barrie to push the offense...which is literally the Oilers biggest issue going now...more than the lack of a winger

 

[rent free]

Surprising that Barrie is so awful at defense he still manages to be a plus 12 (league leading fwiw).

Barrie isn't some defensive stalwart by any measure, but he isn't a sieve either.

His plus 12 is more so because of his ridiculously high PDO of 110. He isn't a good defensive player whatsoever

 

[cgf]

Dont bs me. Barrie is much more valuable than Larsson. PMDs that can qb a pp are one of the most valued commodities in hockey and Barrie is amongst the best at that. Larsson is a middle pairing dman that provides no offense. And contrary to popular belief hes not that bad at defense. Oilers have enough guys that focus on the defensive end that can allow for Barrie to push the offense...which is literally the Oilers biggest issue going now...more than the lack of a winger

You're not wrong

 

[Eltuna]

His plus 12 is more so because of his ridiculously high PDO of 110. He isn't a good defensive player whatsoever

For someone that doesn’t care about the Avs you seem to really care about the Avs.

 

[cgf]

Career -44 based upon that measure and that's with sheltering and given ~ 60% offensive zone starts throughout his career.

The guy has value as a PMD and would be a better fit elsewhere but to make him the main piece to acquire a younger, top line forward is just an Avs fan's wet dream.

You think that the 9th highest scoring blueliner since the start of the 2013-2014 season has value? Really?!?

 

[rent free]

For someone that doesn’t care about the Avs you seem to really care about the Avs.

it's a coincidence that what i post falls in "avs related" topics

 

[GOilers88]

I don’t think Barrie is on the block or anything, but there are some reasons why trading him could be a good choice. The Avs have a big hole on the second line Center position and Barrie can get a guy that could fix it. With Makar putting up such huge numbers in college and with the emergence of Girard, it might be easier for the Avs to replace Barrie internally than it is to find a good 2C internally.

You don't trade proven talent without having an immediate replacement. Unless you aren't trying to win.

 

[Foppberg]

it's a coincidence that what i post falls in "avs related" topics

Its ok if he gets hurt though bevause the sharks have depth at center. Can't say the same thing about the avs...

Hertl thread, how is that an Avs related topic?

 

[cgf]

You don't trade proven talent without having an immediate replacement. Unless you aren't trying to win.

Depends on when you're trying to win. Teams taking a step back in 1 season to take 2 steps forward the following season happens often enough


...and it's not like the avs would be completely screwed until Makar developed fully. Girard has been tremendous, taking a step from his already impressive play last year. EJ has lost a step but is still a very good blueliner. Zads is still working on his consistency but can be a force in his own zone and is our 2nd best passer on the blueline. Ian Cole is a very solid #5 who can cameo as a 4 effectively. And Nemeth is a perfectly solid bottom pairing PK-specialist. Makar would be able to be eased in as Girard's burden got heavier with Barrie's potential departure.

Plus I'm of the belief that Meloche will be ready to contribute in the NHL if he gets a look at some point this season. That dude is nasty & smart, with under-rated skills.