Player Discussion Tyler Toffoli
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Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
Kings fan here in peace.
I like this move for you guys. You bring in another guy with playoff experience and Parson's friend and linemate.
Toffoli is streaky . But he is also a big game player.
I hope you guys win the divison and have a deep run
I like this move for you guys. You bring in another guy with playoff experience and Parson's friend and linemate.
Toffoli is streaky . But he is also a big game player.
I hope you guys win the divison and have a deep run
WTG
December 5th
Trade hinges on him resigning.
Like the player, not sure about giving up Madden. That guy could be a gamer.
Like the player, not sure about giving up Madden. That guy could be a gamer.
Billy Kvcmu
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Billy Kvcmu
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I hope Madden doesn’t pan out because he’s a very good prospect
Pastor Of Muppetz
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DS7
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He was an underrated part of the LA cup teams and the 70s line. Loved him as a player.
I just hope his game hasn't fallen off a cliff.
I just hope his game hasn't fallen off a cliff.
how's his shot? going into the dirty areas. which the canucks need to learn to do. ive seen glimpses of his scoring from previous seasons. but not much this year.
PG Canuck
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You’re right about that, but it’s looking like that it won’t be with us.
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This trade boils down to three questions. How do we retain him with our cap situation, did we need to make a move this season, and did we move too the right assets for the player we're getting, did we target the right player?
The first is one that none of us can answer and is strongly colored by how you view Benning's cap management skills. Obviously his depth signings have usually come in and been a case of too much for too long but I don't think we've ever seen Benning in a situation where he's needed to keep a winning team together versus adding to a team that needs work. Thus my take is that we're all going to see how this plays out come June and July this year, if it goes as badly as some people think it will then both the Miller trade, Myers signing, and this move start looking especially awful. If not, then the above all look more like adding key pieces in free agency. As always the truth will be somewhere in between and the subject of years of debate.
The second question is another interesting one. I think the answer here is yes if only because we're better off giving Tampa this season's pick than risking a worst case scenario next year. The injury to Boeser and Ferland being shut down for at least the rest of the season forced Benning's hand. Again, I get the thought that we're a fluke team in a bad division this season and likely to regress next year due to cap crunch but that ship sailed when we signed Miller and saw Hughes step up.
The third question is also a yes. I think of the players we have with similar value to Madden he was the best piece to move. Given that some in LA were hoping for a 1st round pick for Toffoli I think the value is as good as could be expected for this kind of trade. I think that posters need to separate the actual value on both sides of this trade from their perception of the team and Benning. This doesn't mean that you have to like the trade, the other two questions above are more than enough for there to be valid reasons to hate this move.
The final question is an easier one than the others. I think that given who he's replacing, his pedigree, and his production on a bad LA team that he, like Miller, will exceed expectations in his role with our team.
My overall take is that it sucks that Boeser went down and Ferland spent the entire season on the shelf but, that Toffoli is likely to be a good fit for the role we'll see him in. The trade is a win if Benning can successfully work the cap and keep him and other key players this off-season. It's a loss if he can't be retained (or we lose other pieces at his expense) or if we miss the playoffs this season.
EDIT: I didn't realize this wasn't in the trade thread, but given that this thread will have a lot of trade talk in it it works here as well. I'll give a more detailed take on Toffoli sometime in the next day or so once I can dive into his stats.
The first is one that none of us can answer and is strongly colored by how you view Benning's cap management skills. Obviously his depth signings have usually come in and been a case of too much for too long but I don't think we've ever seen Benning in a situation where he's needed to keep a winning team together versus adding to a team that needs work. Thus my take is that we're all going to see how this plays out come June and July this year, if it goes as badly as some people think it will then both the Miller trade, Myers signing, and this move start looking especially awful. If not, then the above all look more like adding key pieces in free agency. As always the truth will be somewhere in between and the subject of years of debate.
The second question is another interesting one. I think the answer here is yes if only because we're better off giving Tampa this season's pick than risking a worst case scenario next year. The injury to Boeser and Ferland being shut down for at least the rest of the season forced Benning's hand. Again, I get the thought that we're a fluke team in a bad division this season and likely to regress next year due to cap crunch but that ship sailed when we signed Miller and saw Hughes step up.
The third question is also a yes. I think of the players we have with similar value to Madden he was the best piece to move. Given that some in LA were hoping for a 1st round pick for Toffoli I think the value is as good as could be expected for this kind of trade. I think that posters need to separate the actual value on both sides of this trade from their perception of the team and Benning. This doesn't mean that you have to like the trade, the other two questions above are more than enough for there to be valid reasons to hate this move.
The final question is an easier one than the others. I think that given who he's replacing, his pedigree, and his production on a bad LA team that he, like Miller, will exceed expectations in his role with our team.
My overall take is that it sucks that Boeser went down and Ferland spent the entire season on the shelf but, that Toffoli is likely to be a good fit for the role we'll see him in. The trade is a win if Benning can successfully work the cap and keep him and other key players this off-season. It's a loss if he can't be retained (or we lose other pieces at his expense) or if we miss the playoffs this season.
EDIT: I didn't realize this wasn't in the trade thread, but given that this thread will have a lot of trade talk in it it works here as well. I'll give a more detailed take on Toffoli sometime in the next day or so once I can dive into his stats.
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topched88
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Not a horrible trade in a vacuum, but doesn’t fit the rest of the idea. We’re now a completely cap strapped team with no flexibility, with important expiring contracts coming up, a medicoure prospect pool lacking impact potential players and now down a first and second.
Billy Kvcmu
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the more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that Markstrom is gone
Well, Demko next season.
If Hart can do it, why not Demko
Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
He's one of those guys who just scores. Like Luc Robitaille. Not a laser, not pretty, it just finds it's way in the net
LuckyBoeser
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Tyler Toffoli is a strong play driver who experienced troubles converting the high offense he generates into GF at even strength. He seems to be able to get shots off in the right area, but have a hard time finishing. Overall I like Toffoli a lot and he is a good 2nd liner. I think the trade is fine value-wise, but it seems more of a trade that a team makes when one player away from a cup run. Sucks to trade away Madden... however, I don't view the trade as an overpayment.
WTG
December 5th
Not a fan of teams signing goaltenders after 1 hot season.
I'm completely ok with Canucks not signing Markstrom.
LuckyBoeser
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Holtby has declined a lot in the last season or so. Plus we certainly won't be able to afford him. I am willing to bet he ask for a Vasilevsky/Bobrovsky/Price type contract.
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TruKnyte
On the wagon
Billy Kvcmu
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Depends on how much he likes the team I think, I’m convinced that Tanev or Markstrom will be gone if Toffoli wants to stay
or maybe JB somehow clean out a bad contract
canuckking1
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Tanev is twice as valuable to this team as Toffoli. Why would we choose him over the other?
vadim sharifijanov
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well now’s when a smart gm would flip our ridiculous glut of bottom six hole fillers for #7-8 hole fillers on d.
leivo and motte theoretically should have that kind of value right?
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23 games of him. No money to resign him (if he even wanted to.) Likely going back to LA, who cares how bad they are , his life is set up there and it’s LA.
Hard to even talk about the player because of how much we gave up for so little time.
And if he lights it up? Should be we excited? He’s not here next year. If we liked the player that much we could have signed him in the offseason for 0 assets. This is JB worst trade ever.
Hard to even talk about the player because of how much we gave up for so little time.
And if he lights it up? Should be we excited? He’s not here next year. If we liked the player that much we could have signed him in the offseason for 0 assets. This is JB worst trade ever.
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