Tyler Myers next contract?

[Maukkis]

Four pages of posts, mostly ones assuming Trouba is gone & that Myers doesn't deserve a contract. Let's assume that happens.

Welcome your 2019-2020 Jets defence:

Morrissey-Byfuglien
Kulikov-Poolman
Niku-Nogier
Morrow-Green

Call-ups:
Stanley-?

Now that reality has hit, are we still allowing Myers to walk?

Quote Paul Maurice "We like Tyler's game. He's going to be here a long time."

Signing Myers to a presumably big contract is not the right option, with or without Trouba.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Signing Myers to a presumably big contract is not the right option, with or without Trouba.

So Maurice was talking out of his ass last season when he stated that Myers was here long term?

When clear & direct statements from those involved with the team occur, why would any fan presume to utterly dismiss them?

 

[Maukkis]

So Maurice was talking out of his ass last season when he stated that Myers was here long term?

When clear & direct statements from those involved with the team occur, why would any fan presume to utterly dismiss them?

Maurice saying that doesn't make it a good choice. Like all coaches, he has liked mediocre players in the past and will continue to do so.

Keeping Myers would be a mistake, unless it came at a ridiculously low cost. Unfortunately, I don't foresee him taking a 50% pay cut.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Still it doesn't look as bleak as you drew it up with Nogier.

It's that bleak. I listed every Jet prospect currently under contract.

If you wanted the unsigned prospects added to that list, the right side doesn't improve.

Johnny Kovacevic, Leon Gawanke, Jacob Cederholm.

There's nothing else in the organization. It's bleak.

Jets are extremely fortunate that Niku & Sandberg are looking as good as they are. This is what happens when you stock the cupboard with forward (mostly winger) depth and don't draft defensemen.

Years later & the biggest fault remains trading #22 & #36 when the organization desperately needed defensive depth, particularly if Chevy has known for years that Trouba was unsignable.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Maurice saying that doesn't make it a good choice. Like all coaches, he has liked mediocre players in the past and will continue to do so.

Keeping Myers would be a mistake, unless it came at a ridiculously low cost. Unfortunately, I don't foresee him taking a 50% pay cut.

I've said for many years now that the only reason Myers, who was acquired as damaged goods having needed double surgery for over two years prior to being acquired, was protection against Trouba walking. Jets could afford to also him to heal while waiting out the Trouba camp.

Now that it appears Trouba is walking, I'll stand by my original point, particularly after giving Myers nearly a full season off to heal.

 

[Maukkis]

I've said for many years now that the only reason Myers, who was acquired as damaged goods having needed double surgery for over two years, was protection against Trouba walking.

Now that it appears Trouba is walking, I'll stand by my original point, particularly after giving Myers nearly a full season off to heal.

Keeping Myers is a non-issue, if he is paid according to his abilities as a hockey player.

Keeping him becomes an enormous issue, if the driving force behind that decision is 'we are losing our #1D, and we need someone to play here' or 'we like you as a human being and want to keep you around.' In the event of Trouba leaving, our negotiating position with Myers will be a shit one, and that is how you wind up overpaying for players. That same cap space could go towards a legitimate replacement or even an upgrade at another position. If we throw, say 4m of cap space at Myers, I am going to be pissed off.

 

[ffh]

Keeping Myers is a non-issue, if he is paid according to his abilities as a hockey player.

Keeping him becomes an enormous issue, if the driving force behind that decision is 'we are losing our #1D, and we need someone to play here' or 'we like you as a human being and want to keep you around.' In the event of Trouba leaving, our negotiating position with Myers will be a **** one, and that is how you wind up overpaying for players. That same cap space could go towards a legitimate replacement or even an upgrade at another position. If we throw, say 4m of cap space at Myers, I am going to be pissed off.

trouba was never our number 1 dman no matter how many times you say it and wouldn't be possibly for another 3 years and even then Morrissey is better all round then trouba and would be our number 1.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Keeping Myers is a non-issue, if he is paid according to his abilities as a hockey player.

Keeping him becomes an enormous issue, if the driving force behind that decision is 'we are losing our #1D, and we need someone to play here' or 'we like you as a human being and want to keep you around.' In the event of Trouba leaving, our negotiating position with Myers will be a **** one, and that is how you wind up overpaying for players. That same cap space could go towards a legitimate replacement or even an upgrade at another position. If we throw, say 4m of cap space at Myers, I am going to be pissed off.

Who do you have your eye on then? Here's next seasons UFA list at RD:

Quite a few of these won't even get to free agency. Their existing clubs will sign them.
Once that occurs these options, already less than optimal, will become even more limited.

Is Myers becoming an option yet, or are the only other possibilities of Green & Nogier more attractive?

 

[Maukkis]

Who do you have your eye on then? Here's next seasons UFA list at RD:
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Quite a few of these won't even get to free agency. Their existing clubs will sign them.
Once that occurs these options, already less than optimal, will become even more limited.

Is Myers becoming an option yet, or are the only other possibilities of Green & Nogier more attractive?

Myers at 4+ million is not an option I am willing to take. Myers at 2.5? Yes, I think I'd take that.

Besides, UFA is not the only way of getting players. Trading Trouba can get us help at RHD. We can trade other assets too.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Myers at 4+ million is not an option I am willing to take. Myers at 2.5? Yes, I think I'd take that.

Besides, UFA is not the only way of getting players. Trading Trouba can get us help at RHD. We can trade other assets too.

There's a few that have mentioned Chevy's trade of Kane being similar to a potential trade of Trouba. It better happen fast then. Trade deadline deals will only get us late 1st round futures, far from the assets we need. Perhaps they could be parlayed into something more in line with our needs, but that reasoning is getting a little too complex and I hate pure fantasy speculation.

Further, Buffalo getting 3 seasons of Kane isn't the same as 2 or less seasons of Trouba. It took packaging Bogo into that deal to get us three darts at the board in Armia, Lemieux and a pick (Roslovic). Us adding Dano or Petan, even both+Trouba isn't getting us anywhere near Trouba's value.

Be it a trade or UFA signing, we certainly aren't getting a 1st pairing defensemen back to replace Trouba & the options for a player better than Myers for better is just as slim.

 

[MardyBum]

No interest in signing Myers at what he's going to make. He was the second most sheltered 5v5 dman iirc, and his numbers weren't great. If we trade Trouba, (because we're not letting him walk for nothing) giving Myers more responsibilty 5v5, and paying him more to do it is going to blow up in the Jets faces.

People really underestimate how much can change in two years.

 

[Maukkis]

There's a few that have mentioned Chevy's trade of Kane being similar to a potential trade of Trouba. It better happen fast then. Trade deadline deals will only get us late 1st round futures, far from the assets we need. Perhaps they could be parlayed into something more in line with our needs, but that reasoning is getting a little too complex and I hate pure fantasy speculation.

Further, Buffalo getting 3 seasons of Kane isn't the same as 2 or less seasons of Trouba. It took packaging Bogo into that deal to get us three darts at the board in Armia, Lemieux and a pick (Roslovic). Us adding Dano or Petan, even both+Trouba isn't getting us anywhere near Trouba's value.

Be it a trade or UFA signing, we certainly aren't getting a 1st pairing defensemen back to replace Trouba & the options for a player better than Myers for better is just as slim.

Trouba is very unlikely to bring back a 1st pairing guy, but we should be more than able to replace Myers for much cheaper. Looking at guys like Justin Schultz and Michal Kempny, both of whom were acquired for mere third round picks at TDL, it should be possible.

Myers is being overrated big time here.

 

[Jet]

No interest in signing Myers at what he's going to make. He was the second most sheltered 5v5 dman iirc, and his numbers weren't great. If we trade Trouba, (because we're not letting him walk for nothing) giving Myers more responsibilty 5v5, and paying him more to do it is going to blow up in the Jets faces.

People really underestimate how much can change in two years.

Or, maybe his improved performance last year was due to slowly getting healthier and there is still more to come from him?

Whether people like him, or want him, there are a couple facts that are hard to debate:

The Jets like him and most certainly going to keep him unless he acts like Jake (unreasonable demands, obviously wanting out)
He will be paid what someone of his quality will be paid. If anyone thinks that he'll sign for (or should sign for) 2.5 MM I don't know what to tell them.

If we get Myers at 5MM or under AAV I will be satisfied. I wouldn't sign him for more than 4 years max as I don't know if his hips are going to ever get totally better. I saw them dislocate a couple of times last year (times when he went down like he was shot, but came back into the game).

I hope he can get completely healthy, cause I think he has more to give. Will he ever be a top 10 defender? Obviously not, but he has a lot of desirable qualities, and, he - like every other player can improve (even at his ripe old age).

 

[ffh]

myers at 5 and lowry at 3 is better then trouba at 8 alone. keep myers and lowry and show trouba the door that he should have been shown 2 years ago.

 

[Jet]

myers at 5 and lowry at 3 is better then trouba at 8 alone. keep myers and lowry and show trouba the door that he should have been shown 2 years ago.

I wanted him gone when he pulled that garbage originally. He's worth more right now I think but we need to deal him soon - problem is as soon as teams know that he wants out his value takes a hit.

The very least JT could do is sign for an amount he'd be satisfied with playing in say Florida - with the understanding we would trade him to a list of teams. Give him a modified NMC to protect him. That way we can get value for him, but I think for Jake - it's all about Jake.

 

[MardyBum]

Or, maybe his improved performance last year was due to slowly getting healthier and there is still more to come from him?

Whether people like him, or want him, there are a couple facts that are hard to debate:

The Jets like him and most certainly going to keep him unless he acts like Jake (unreasonable demands, obviously wanting out)
He will be paid what someone of his quality will be paid. If anyone thinks that he'll sign for (or should sign for) 2.5 MM I don't know what to tell them.

If we get Myers at 5MM or under AAV I will be satisfied. I wouldn't sign him for more than 4 years max as I don't know if his hips are going to ever get totally better. I saw them dislocate a couple of times last year (times when he went down like he was shot, but came back into the game).

I hope he can get completely healthy, cause I think he has more to give. Will he ever be a top 10 defender? Obviously not, but he has a lot of desirable qualities, and, he - like every other player can improve (even at his ripe old age).

Improved? The only place he "improved" was on the PP, and actually being healthy for a season. Are we going to pay 6+ million for a PP specialist who needs to be sheltered 5v5? Myers is who he is. Give Morrissey his PP time, sign or trade for a better 5v5 defenseman that can actually handle some of Trouba's minutes if he's gone.

 

[MardyBum]

myers at 5 and lowry at 3 is better then trouba at 8 alone. keep myers and lowry and show trouba the door that he should have been shown 2 years ago.

Trouba @ 8 + Lowry @ 3 >>>> Myers @ 5 and Lowry @ 3.

 

[boanst]

Trouba @ 8 + Lowry @ 3 >>>> Myers @ 5 and Lowry @ 3.

Neither of those sound good at all, besides Lowry.

 

[Jet]

Improved? The only place he "improved" was on the PP, and actually being healthy for a season. Are we going to pay 6+ million for a PP specialist who needs to be sheltered 5v5? Myers is who he is. Give Morrissey his PP time, sign or trade for a better 5v5 defenseman that can actually handle some of Trouba's minutes if he's gone.

I never said I'd be happy with 6+ million.

I don't think Myers is there. I also don't think he's as bad as the haters say.

You can stuff your stats in a sack. I see stats tell whatever story people want to tell.

 

[boanst]

I never said I'd be happy with 6+ million.

I don't think Myers is there. I also don't think he's as bad as the haters say.

You can stuff your stats in a sack. I see stats tell whatever story people want to tell.

The same could be said for narratives.

 

[MardyBum]

I never said I'd be happy with 6+ million.

I don't think Myers is there. I also don't think he's as bad as the haters say.

You can stuff your stats in a sack. I see stats tell whatever story people want to tell.

There are no "haters". Why would anyone hate Myers? He's been nothing but professional. If you want to sit here and claim your eye-test as proof he's not as bad as the stats claim, have at it.

 

[MardyBum]

Neither of those sound good at all, besides Lowry.

Trouba's one of the better 5v5 scoring dmen in the league, and he's very good defensively. If he plays this full season I'll guarantee 40+ points, and that's with sparing use on the PP.

I'll take top pairing production and defense @ 8 mil on a longterm deal anytime.

 

[ffh]

Trouba @ 8 + Lowry @ 3 >>>> Myers @ 5 and Lowry @ 3.

Imagine the surgery that would be required if trouba was singed for 8 million right now. And also how much would be required to pay morrissey who is arguably better then trouba in every way. At the end of the day he wants what elite dmen get and he isn't one and won't get that here. Best just to part ways. Chevy would pay the 8 mill and perform surgery if he thought he was getting his money worth.

 

[Jet]

There are no "haters". Why would anyone hate Myers? He's been nothing but professional. If you want to sit here and claim your eye-test as proof he's not as bad as the stats claim, have at it.

Thanks, I was waiting for your approval on that

 

[Jet]

The same could be said for narratives.

Could be!

I prefer to rely on my experience with hockey, and what I see. I know that's shunned nowadays, but I guess I'm just some crotchety old f***

I don't think I've been too unrealistic about what I've said about Myers - I recognize his warts. I also saw a guy who really stepped up in the playoffs (when Trouba was kind of floundering). I saw someone who had periods of really solid play mixed in with stretches of what I would consider low confidence.

I like Tyler Myers. I don't expect every player to be top 10 in the NHL at their position *shrugs*