News: Turris to be scratched again

[MabusIncarnate]

I could be wrong, but there is an infamous blogger who is never correct over at hockeybuzz.com by the name of Eklund. He has some sort of rumour ranking that he applies to the likelihood of a transaction ever happening in an attempt to add legitimacy to his rumours.

Yeah, this. He has a tier system that rates the probability of a trade happening, from E1 (least likely) to E5 (basically confirmed) and he throws around the E5 like candy and is wrong 99% of the time. It's turned into a bit of a meme at this point because there is really no validation in most of his rumors or his rankings. He's basically a clown and a speculator.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Turris
Kondelik
Farrance

For

Green
San Jose 3rd 2020
Hirose

?

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Come on, Yzerman, 1-for-1 with Nielsen. With retention. Or a pick. Or something. Anything.

I don't care if the Wings "aren't contending," they need a capable 2C for the next couple of years. Period.

@RedMenace

I thought about Nielsen for Turris a few weeks ago, until I read that Turris is kinda soft & more so lazy (can't remember the source). He's also not much upgrade to Filppula imho...Turris has been in the NHL since 2008 (12 seasons) & has only had 4 50pt seasons, hardly a consistent 2C or "capable". Add to that the 4.7yrs term left & hefty $6M & "lazy & soft" etc...the guy is gonna be a scratch for another game tonight vs. Blues (potential bloodbath for the Bortuzzo cheapshots on Arvidsson out 6wks). He's being scratched for Grimaldi (4th liner) & a rookie (4th liner) by Laviolette. Clearly Lavy has his teams best interest at heart w/their subpar record this year & his own job, yet Turris is scratched. He's 30 yrs old & not much of a goal scorer. Here is what I'd consider fair:

Nielsen 2.7 yrs @ $5.25M= $14.175M owed

for

Turris (50% retention) 4.7yrs @ $3M=$14.1M owed

The money is the same! ($75k difference)

Preds get out of a long term contract & can buy out/trade/dump Frans in the offseason, or maybe he rebounds this year & is somewhat useful as a 3RW/LW or 3C fill-in. Preds also lose an unhappy player (potential locker room cancer) while they make a run for the cup. Frans is a character guy Swiss Army knife, maybe just needs a change of scenery & or has a nagging injury we're not privy to. Personally I think he's injured & Yzerman doesn't wanna disclose it as we're so banged up already to start the season.

Wings get a 3C that may outperform Filppula in the 2C slot, or not & have 4.7 yrs left to figure out what to do with him. Turris has an injury history as well, so yet another detractor as we already are one of if not the team with most man games lost in recent years, further nullifying any benefit.

While I HOPE Yzerman DOES NOT DO this trade, I think it is fair. I also think Veleno will be ready to be our 2C by sometime next season, barring injury. He's really started to make progress the last ~10 gp in GR, just like Zadina, therefore it is unnecessary for the Wings.

P.S. read the article from The Hockey News, I posted in post #172, THN agrees with me.

 

[veganbruin]

Always been a fan of the player and I think he would be a great fit on the Bruins I just don’t know if there is a deal salary wise that would work.

what does Nashville need? We have lots of D both prospects and NHL players and some interesting prospects.

 

[72hockey guy]

nashville fans have to understand that the moment they signed Duchene, whether they intended to or not, they made Turris a defacto cap dump. they can trade Ryan Johanssen or Duchene if they wish and undo that by giving Turris The #2 center position, that is Always an option but until they do that he is IN FACT a 6 million dollar #3 center and effectively a cap dump.

other teams would be foolish to trade for a #3 center making 6 million who is gonna put up maybe 25-30 points without tangible proof that hes going to do that predator fans have no choice but to include conditional additions in the case that their assurances do not actually come to pass

 

[TK]

@RedMenace

I thought about Nielsen for Turris a few weeks ago, until I read that Turris is kinda soft & more so lazy (can't remember the source). He's also not much upgrade to Filppula imho...Turris has been in the NHL since 2008 (12 seasons) & has only had 4 50pt seasons, hardly a consistent 2C or "capable". Add to that the 4.7yrs term left & hefty $6M & "lazy & soft" etc...the guy is gonna be a scratch for another game tonight vs. Blues (potential bloodbath for the Bortuzzo cheapshots on Arvidsson out 6wks). He's being scratched for Grimaldi (4th liner) & a rookie (4th liner) by Laviolette. Clearly Lavy has his teams best interest at heart w/their subpar record this year & his own job, yet Turris is scratched. He's 30 yrs old & not much of a goal scorer. Here is what I'd consider fair:

Nielsen 2.7 yrs @ $5.25M= $14.175M owed

for

Turris (50% retention) 4.7yrs @ $3M=$14.1M owed

The money is the same! ($75k difference)

Preds get out of a long term contract & can buy out/trade/dump Frans in the offseason, or maybe he rebounds this year & is somewhat useful as a 3RW/LW or 3C fill-in. Preds also lose an unhappy player (potential locker room cancer) while they make a run for the cup. Frans is a character guy Swiss Army knife, maybe just needs a change of scenery & or has a nagging injury we're not privy to. Personally I think he's injured & Yzerman doesn't wanna disclose it as we're so banged up already to start the season.

Wings get a 3C that may outperform Filppula in the 2C slot, or not & have 4.7 yrs left to figure out what to do with him. Turris has an injury history as well, so yet another detractor as we already are one of if not the team with most man games lost in recent years, further nullifying any benefit.

While I HOPE Yzerman DOES NOT DO this trade, I think it is fair. I also think Veleno will be ready to be our 2C by sometime next season, barring injury. He's really started to make progress the last ~10 gp in GR, just like Zadina, therefore it is unnecessary for the Wings.

P.S. read the article from The Hockey News, I posted in post #172, THN agrees with me.

Absolutely horrible for Nashville.

 

[72hockey guy]

Absolutely horrible for Nashville.

agreed, Turris may not be worth what hes paid behind Duchene and Johanssen and may be nothing more than an expensive insurance policy at this point, but Frans Nielsen is nothing more than a boat anchor at this point

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Absolutely horrible for Nashville.

I understand why you'd think that about Nielsen, he was productive until last year (on a lottery team w/the worst D in the league); now we have the worst D & F's in the league & he's been injured & playing with a rookie Hirose (pp specialist at best) & other garbage.

I really don't want Turris, doubt the Wings do either for many reasons & he is worth slightly more than Nielsen, but not by much. Nielsen will rebound this year and/or get bought out & Veleno becomes our 2way 2C within 1-1.5 seasons.

 

[72hockey guy]

I understand why you'd think that about Nielsen, he was productive until last year (on a lottery team w/the worst D in the league); now we have the worst D & F's in the league & he's been injured & playing with a rookie Hirose (pp specialist at best) & other garbage.

I really don't want Turris, doubt the Wings do either for many reasons & he is worth slightly more than Nielsen, but not by much. Nielsen will rebound this year and/or get bought out & Veleno becomes our 2way 2C within 1-1.5 seasons.

I Think Stevie Y would only trade for Turris if he was paid to as a way for nashville to gain cap space it makes no sense otherwise to take him.

I see no reason for any team to take neilsen

 

[Tetsuo]

agreed, Turris may not be worth what hes paid behind Duchene and Johanssen and may be nothing more than an expensive insurance policy at this point, but Frans Nielsen is nothing more than a boat anchor at this point

Do you think other teams are going to trade anything of value for Turris? No one is going to do the Preds any favors and the rest of the league will happily let the Preds have 6 million dollars in dead cap for the next half decade. While he isn't as bad of a player as Lucic at this point, but the Preds are only going to be getting another teams garbage or a conditional 7th for Turris. He has zero trade value.

 

[72hockey guy]

I never said they would

but at least Turris has value if Duchene or Johanssen gets injured along the way

neilsen has no value whatsoever, indeed he has NEGATIVE value that NO TEAM would take unless you actually gave up quality ASSETS TO INDUCE them to take him

Id rather have an expensive insurance policy around my neck if I was drowning, than a boat anchor

at least the insurance policy will help my family

 

[maplepred]

What about something around Puljujarvi for Turris?
Then Oilers flip RNH for something of more value, and still have Turris as second line centre.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

I Think Stevie Y would only trade for Turris if he was paid to as a way for nashville to gain cap space it makes no sense otherwise to take him.

I see no reason for any team to take neilsen

I see no reason for any team to take Turris, neither does the Hockey News, barring a lot of retention by Preds, ie 50% max and get no value in return. 23pts last year, soft/lazy, 3c at best.

 

[72hockey guy]

I see no reason for any team to take Turris, neither does the Hockey News, barring a lot of retention by Preds, ie 50% max and get no value in return. 23pts last year, soft/lazy, 3c at best.

I see reason for nashville to keep him, they are already paying him and injuries do happen in the NHL so at worst he acts as insurance

neilsen however is quite likely themost valueless player in hockey he serves no possible use to anyone, other than to assure the red wings finish in last place as long as hes on the roster

your desciption of Turris (23pts last year, soft/lazy, 3c at best.) is much more suitable for neilsen, though everyone knows his days of scoring in double digits is long past

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

" other than to assure the red wings finish in last place as long as hes on the roster", which is still 1 purpose. He plays every game, he's not a $6M soft & lazy scratch on a cup contender currently out of the playoffs. Coach Lavy agrees with me & THN. Agree to disagree. Good luck.

 

[TK]

" other than to assure the red wings finish in last place as long as hes on the roster", which is still 1 purpose. He plays every game, he's not a $6M soft & lazy scratch on a cup contender currently out of the playoffs. Coach Lavy agrees with me & THN. Agree to disagree. Good luck.

Well if THE THN agrees with you, you just must be correct. On topic, your proposal was complete and utter garbage, you must see that.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Yeah, this. He has a tier system that rates the probability of a trade happening, from E1 (least likely) to E5 (basically confirmed) and he throws around the E5 like candy and is wrong 99% of the time. It's turned into a bit of a meme at this point because there is really no validation in most of his rumors or his rankings. He's basically a clown and a speculator.

Dwayne Klessel(Eklund) is a fraud. If you're an adult and still visit his fraudulent site, I feel bad for you.

 

[72hockey guy]

Dwayne Klessel(Eklund) is a fraud. If you're an adult and still visit his fraudulent site, I feel bad for you.

i dont see him as a fraud he does have source in the flyers organization and a few around the league, but they play him alot

they use him to get disinformation out there to mislead and often he falls for it

you need to use your brain and know which is which

 

[JoemAvs]

i dont see him as a fraud he does have source in the flyers organization and a few around the league, but they play him alot

they use him to get disinformation out there to mislead and often he falls for it

you need to use your brain and know which is which

The problem is that for it to work, you sometimes need to feed a guy good information or he loses all credibility. And while Eklund may have called a few things about the Flyers almost a decade ago, I can't remember once in the last 5 years when he was first to legit information..

So yeah. I would call him a fraud given that just looking at his success rate when it comes to his sources, he probably makes up atleast 98 % of the stuf he puts out there.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

i dont see him as a fraud he does have source in the flyers organization and a few around the league, but they play him alot

they use him to get disinformation out there to mislead and often he falls for it

you need to use your brain and know which is which

If I make claims every day, and that's my job, and am wrong 99.99% of the time, I'm a fraud.

 

[Habs10025]

Nashville Predators To Scratch Kyle Turris Again

Is he going to be dealt?? Who wants him?

Nashville will need to retain at least 40% of his salary if they want to trade him.

 

[Black Kevin]

Maybe try him at the wing like Brassard?

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Wow, he has really tanked if he’s being scratched.

Maybe he can be moved for scraps at the deadline.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Always been a fan of the player and I think he would be a great fit on the Bruins I just don’t know if there is a deal salary wise that would work.

what does Nashville need? We have lots of D both prospects and NHL players and some interesting prospects.

Bottom pairing D, preferably RD who is better than Irwin/Weber.

 

[veganbruin]

Bottom pairing D, preferably RD who is better than Irwin/Weber.

Kevin Miller, John Moore (LH but plays right a lot) and Conor Clifton. All I would say are better. Clifton is young with some upside. Miller and Moore are almost healthy and 2 of these 3 will sit. Any of those interest you as a piece and then add some picks and possibly others to make the salaries work? I need to look a capfriendly.