TSN's Top 50 Player Rankings

[zeke]

Its a BS “excuse”, it basically

1. Assigns hypothetical pp points to Matthews. “If he got the mins, he would definitely get more pp points.”, thats pretty unfair to players who did get those points.
2. Asserts ES goals mean more than PP goals, which is not true.

Interesting fact about ES defensive plays though. But it doesnt really tell me what they mean or if the next 20 highest were 8.2

it doesn't assign anything to anyone.

It simply doesn't bother pretending that other players have to be better because their coach gives them more PP time.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

It's as if PPG isn't the only measure of talent.


How does Matthews rank for ES goals per game throughout his career vs league?

It's cute Mac finally cracked the top ten though. Outlying career performance and all.

No amount of extrapolation would put Matthews near Mack.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

it doesn't assign anything to anyone.

It simply doesn't bother pretending that other players have to be better because their coach gives them more PP time.

It pretends that the contribution of other players on their extra pp time doesn't exist.

 

[Spilot23]

Matthews way too low. Easy top 5 player.

And Rielly got jobbed.

I am a future teller.
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...vs-connor-brown.2538845/page-2#post-149385819

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

How is Ovechkin not top 10?? MacKinnon over Malkin LOL. Matthews at 8 WTF.

 

[zeke]

It pretends that the contribution of other players on their extra pp time doesn't exist.

nope.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

How is Ovechkin not top 10?? MacKinnon over Malkin LOL. Matthews at 8 WTF.

I think MacKinnon's ranking is premature. One dominant season shouldn't see a player end up Top 3 in hockey.

And if TSN's argument is the rankings are based heavily on last year, then a guy like Giroux should be higher than he is.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

nope.

Talk to me when they give out the Art Ross to best (whatever arbitrary criteria you come up with).

Im gonna guess, most points in a season (including hypothetical pp points if only every player play in the exact same situations).

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Talk to me when they give out the Art Ross to best (whatever arbitrary criteria you come up with).

if you're going by awards now, why aren't you arguing that Hall should be above MacKinnon?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

if you're going by awards now, why aren't you arguing that Hall should be above MacKinnon?

At least Hall is arguable. Matthews isnt even in that debate.

 

[zeke]

Talk to me when they give out the Art Ross to best (whatever arbitrary criteria you come up with).

Im gonna guess, most points in a season (including hypothetical pp points if only every player play in the exact same situations).

you're right, any best player list should just be a list of the point leaders.

 

[LeafsNation75]

At least Hall is arguable. Matthews isnt even in that debate.

So I guess Matthews being a 40 goal scorer doesn't do him any good.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

At least Hall is arguable. Matthews isnt even in that debate.

the truth is you aren't abiding by your own criteria for the rest of the list. you only care about complaining that Matthews is ranked higher than you'd like

 

[GirardSpinorama]

you're right, any best player list should just be a list of the point leaders.

I guarantee you theres a big correlation for forwards at least between those two lists.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

the truth is you aren't abiding by your own criteria for the rest of the list. you only care about complaining that Matthews is ranked higher than you'd like

Did i state my criteria? No i didnt.

There is no criteria, based on last season, that puts Matthews anywhere near Mack or above Hall.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Did i state my criteria? No i didnt.

There is no criteria, based on last season, that puts Matthews anywhere near Mack or above Hall.

TSN Also takes into account a players projection for the upcoming season. So if they think Matthews can score 45 goals which is very likely to happen, it's one reason why he's ranked #8.

 

[Spilot23]

TSN Also takes into account a players projection for the upcoming season. So if they think Matthews can score 45 goals which is very likely to happen, it's one reason why he's ranked #8.

What if he scores 45g goals and get 20 assists ?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

So I guess Matthews being a 40 goal scorer doesn't do him any good.

It does do him good, never said i dont value some goals. But hes also never scored 70 points. Thats also a fact that needs to be considered.

 

[LeafsNation75]

What if he scores 45g goals and get 20 assists ?

What if he scores 45 goals and gets 40 assists?

 

[Paul4587]

Matthews is definitely too high given there are better players ranked below him but the real head scratcher is MacKinnon being ranked 3rd best in the league after one great year. If he jumps to 3 surely Hall who has a better track record and had a better season last year should jump up ahead of him?

I’ll also throw in a homer comment and say Getzlaf is far too low. He missed games last year but was at a 90 point pace and is still an absolutely dominant force for the Ducks. There are a good 10 players ahead of him who I don’t know how you can rank higher than him.

 

[LeafsNation75]

It does do him good, never said i dont value some goals. But hes also never scored 70 points. Thats also a fact that needs to be considered.

Prior to last season no one called Nathan MacKinnon a Hart Trophy candidate and it doesn't mean he will put up those same numbers once again.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

TSN Also takes into account a players projection for the upcoming season. So if they think Matthews can score 45 goals which is very likely to happen, it's one reason why he's ranked #8.

Thats fair. If he scores 45 with like 50 assists, he indeed belongs in the top 8, i can agree to that. But matthews actually have to do it.

And no zeke, him scoring 95 still doesnt put him at macdavid level (who might pace 110).

 

[txpd]

Ovechkin at 12 and Backstrom at 36? Though I admit that Ovechkin at 22 after a 50 goal Rocket Richard season seems....

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

TSN Also takes into account a players projection for the upcoming season. So if they think Matthews can score 45 goals which is very likely to happen, it's one reason why he's ranked #8.

Who’s more likely to score 45 goals, Ovechkin or Matthews?

 

[Spilot23]

Matthews is definitely too high given there are better players ranked below him but the real head scratcher is MacKinnon being ranked 3rd best in the league after one great year. If he jumps to 3 surely Hall who has a better track record and had a better season last year should jump up ahead of him?

Agreed that’s premature and shouldn’t probably be top 10 yet but I firmly believe that he pick up where he left off.