TSN ranks the top 25 NHL players of all time

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Up until the 90's there were hardly any non-Canadians in the NHL. It should make sense that the list is mostly Canadians when the league has always had more Canadians than any other nationality, and for 70% of the existence of the league there were only a handful of Europeans and Americans even playing.

But it isn't because Jagr and Hasek are quite easily top 15 players. As well as Lidstrom and Forsberg, but I won't argue about that.

You're looking at it through a historic perspective, which a **** ton of players on that list are only on there because they were "The Beatles" or in other words revolutionaries for the game (not because of talent). If the list was actually based on talent, which is the intended purpose, then at least Jagr is a top 10 player of all time. It's not debatable.

 

[204hockey]

I hope you are embarassed by this.

was more so just for the reaction but now i cant go and erase it

 

[authentic]

Odd how Jagr is so low, Ovechkin should not be ahead of him. Also heavy bias towards Montreal players.

 

[204hockey]

But it isn't because Jagr and Hasek are quite easily top 15 players. As well as Lidstrom and Forsberg, but I won't argue about that.

You're looking at it through a historic perspective, which a **** ton of players on that list are only on there because they were "The Beatles" or in other words revolutionaries for the game (not because of talent). If the list was actually based on talent, which is the intended purpose, then at least Jagr is a top 10 player of all time. It's not debatable.

you said what i meant alot better.. sometimes i wish my mom wasnt my aunt also

 

[Martinez]

Gotta put phil and jagr in the top ten

 

[boyko10]

If Sawchuck and Plante were that much above Hasek there is no way either of them has allowed a single goal. Ever.

 

[DearDiary]

ctrl-f "Matthews"... ONE RESULT

"Because while we are judging the greatest players, not the greatest careers, less than three years – and less than two in the case of Auston Matthews– doesn’t hit the minimum."

Can't go a day without bringing up Matthews. They bring him up for eventual top 25 player ever, meanwhile Malkin not considered top 100

Meanwhile... ctrl-f "Toews"... ZERO RESULTS

The torch has finally passed on.

 

[authentic]

Gotta put phil and jagr in the top ten

No room for Phil there at all, but Jagr should be.

 

[ManofSteel55]

But it isn't because Jagr and Hasek are quite easily top 15 players. As well as Lidstrom and Forsberg, but I won't argue about that.

You're looking at it through a historic perspective, which a **** ton of players on that list are only on there because they were "The Beatles" or in other words revolutionaries for the game (not because of talent). If the list was actually based on talent, which is the intended purpose, then at least Jagr is a top 10 player of all time. It's not debatable.

I agree that Jagr should be in the top 15, but I have no issue with Hasek being below Plante and Sawchuk. He should certainly be ahead of Roy. To me, the top 15 would be accurate if you pulled Crosby out, put Morenz in his place, and put Jagr in at number 11. Forsberg belongs nowhere on this list. I don't know if he would make a top 50. 16-25 I think is bungled up a bit, should go Hasek, Bourque, Roy, Lidstrom, Hall, Esposito, Brodeur, Mikita, Yzerman, Sakic.

Everyone on this list is on it because of talent. And Jagr not being top 10 is absolutely debatable.

 

[authentic]

ctrl-f "Matthews"... ONE RESULT

"Because while we are judging the greatest players, not the greatest careers, less than three years – and less than two in the case of Auston Matthews– doesn’t hit the minimum."

Can't go a day without bringing up Matthews. They bring him up for eventual top 25 player ever, meanwhile Malkin not considered top 100

Meanwhile... ctrl-f "Toews"... ZERO RESULTS

The torch has finally passed on.

Not having Malkin there ruined the credibility of the entire list. He's closer to top 25 than he is to being outside the top 100, I truly don't understand leaving him off.

 

[DDRhockey]

Eddie shore won only 2 cups in a 8 team era playing for 14 years. Bad list is bad.

 

[DearDiary]

Not having Malkin there ruined the credibility of the entire list. He's closer to top 25 than he is to being outside the top 100, I truly don't understand leaving him off.

 

[authentic]

I agree that Jagr should be in the top 15, but I have no issue with Hasek being below Plante and Sawchuk. He should certainly be ahead of Roy. To me, the top 15 would be accurate if you pulled Crosby out, put Morenz in his place, and put Jagr in at number 11. Forsberg belongs nowhere on this list. I don't know if he would make a top 50. 16-25 I think is bungled up a bit, should go Hasek, Bourque, Roy, Lidstrom, Hall, Esposito, Brodeur, Mikita, Yzerman, Sakic.

Everyone on this list is on it because of talent. And Jagr not being top 10 is absolutely debatable.

Doesn't really make sense to me to have Hasek as anything less than the best goalie of all time. He has the most Vezinas, Harts, and did this in an era where goalies had evolved their technique and the talent level was at an all time high. Dominated save % consistently like no other goalie, I don't get an argument for any other goalie.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Odd how Jagr is so low, Ovechkin should not be ahead of him. Also heavy bias towards Montreal players.

In all fairness, Montreal those specific Montreal players have earned their spots. It's not like they've listed Guy Carbonneau or anything.

 

[authentic]

Eddie shore won only 2 cups in a 8 team era playing for 14 years. Bad list is bad.

Cups have always been a team award and Shore is the best defenseman or even player of his time.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Doesn't really make sense to me to have Hasek as anything less than the best goalie of all time. He has the most Vezinas, Harts, and did this in an era where goalies had evolved their technique and the talent level was at an all time high. Dominated save % consistently like no other goalie, I don't get an argument for any other goalie.

I get the argument, I truly do, and he was easily the best of the modern era (so Roy being ahead of him is ridiculous to me), but you're talking about Plante and Sawchuk here - the best of other eras. I consider the three rather interchangeable.

 

[authentic]

In all fairness, Montreal those specific Montreal players have earned their spots. It's not like they've listed Guy Carbonneau or anything.

No I believe they are still overrated though. Bobby Hull, Jagr, Hasek, Crosby all have a good case over the top 3 Canadien players. Having those 3 in a row before any of them and especially Richard at 5 is all overrating them IMO.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Eddie shore won only 2 cups in a 8 team era playing for 14 years. Bad list is bad.

Eddie Shore is the Gordie Howe of defensemen. He deserves to be ranked very highly.

 

[SladeWilson23]

If Sawchuck and Plante were that much above Hasek there is no way either of them has allowed a single goal. Ever.

You can essentially arrange Hasek, Roy, Brodeur, Plante, Sawchuk, Hall, and even Dryden in any order and still have a strong case for any order.

 

[Bounces R Way]

It is you are right. But you laughing at a 4 time mvp winner (nhl record among defensemen) being on the list because of points per game is just as idiotic.

No problem with him being on the list. Just don't buy this tripe romancing up the NHL's history as if dominating before expansion makes you some kind of made man.

In all fairness, the game was played entirely differently when Shore was playing.
Jagr is far too low though.

Yes it was. Mostly far slower by inferior athletes in a 6 team league. That's not even 150 players. Jagr distinguished himself in a much more competitive game. Do Cups and individual awards carry less weight due to time periods? For me I don't see how rationally they couldn't.

 

[ManofSteel55]

No I believe they are still overrated though. Bobby Hull, Jagr, Hasek, Crosby all have a good case over the top 3 Canadien players. Having those 3 in a row before any of them and especially Richard at 5 is all overrating them IMO.

The top 7 on this list are a lock. Hull should be 8. I don't see how anyone who has followed the game for more than a couple of years could say otherwise.

 

[naruto]

Where's Matthews?

he gonna be there soon. dw bud

 

[ManofSteel55]

No problem with him being on the list. Just don't buy this tripe romancing up the NHL's history as if dominating before expansion makes you some kind of made man.


Yes it was. Mostly far slower by inferior athletes in a 6 team league. That's not even 150 players. Jagr distinguished himself in a much more competitive game. Do Cups and individual awards carry less weight due to time periods? For me I don't see how rationally they couldn't.

Cups are team awards. If Cups is your argument, Dick Duff should be on this list over Ovechkin. There were far fewer individual awards to win when Shore played. He won basically all that he could - most MVP's among defensemen of all time to this day. Eddie Shore was the original dominant superstar of the NHL. I have no issue with him being over Jagr.

The inferior athletes argument puzzles me. As does your "6 team league" argument. The best player out of 150 players is still the best player in the world for what its worth.

 

[authentic]

The top 7 on this list are a lock. Hull should be 8. I don't see how anyone who has followed the game for more than a couple of years could say otherwise.

That's extremely odd because I've seen numerous opinions to the contary since a decade ago.

 

[ManofSteel55]

That's extremely odd because I've seen numerous opinions to the contary since a decade ago.

I guess I should have stated that I don't see how anyone can correctly rank the top 7 any differently. Shuffle the order a bit, but those 7 players (and I will concede Hull) are the correct guys to head up a list of the best players of all time.