Travis Hamonic has requested a trade PART II

[Disgraced Cosmonaut]

I love Travis, and hope that he has a reason to change his mind. But failing that, I'm going to have to look down the line a bit to maximize the return for him. If that means getting a guy like Byfuglien along with a valuable pick or a prospect, then so be it. If it means buying low on RNH, fine - so long as we can acquire a vet DMAN to replace Hamonic through the year's end.

For any team out west that will have to deal with a guy like McDavid for the next 10+ years, having a Travis Hamonic on the team will be an incredibly huge benefit. Hell, we all watched him handle Malkin in the playoffs. It's actually a bit crazy to me that more of those western teams aren't making a stronger push to get him. He's captain material, easily. In fact, for this reason alone, Edmonton should be offering the best package for Travis. They can use him as a captain and shutdown dman, and wouldn't have to worry about him in the playoffs.

Apparently, I'm in the minority in my belief that we can replace Travis with a non-Travis and still be successful this year. But I do believe that Pulock and probably Mayfield will be ready by next year so we really need to bridge a fairly short time gap on D. Buff fills that gap, even though we won't be re-signing him. The supplemental pick or prospect would have to offset the value of having Hamonic longterm.

 

[OlTimeHockey]

As was stated earlier in this thread(s); it points to the ineptitude of the management. If you knew Hammer wanted out, why wouldn't you see if your up-and-comers are able to handle the NHL load? Why wouldn't you see if your faith in the up-and-comers was viable?

If Pulock, Mayfield, Pelech prove to be viable, this opens the door for trading for a forward.

We have a nice trading chip and want a top defensemen or similar back. That's why. When we're finally at a point where our development takes priority over the day to day needs on ice, we should be celebrating.

So IMHO, right now, we have Hamonic playing and once traded we'll have an NHL vet playing and no hole in the lineup but more importantly, no kid being rushed to duty, but instead, we have some NICE prospects being left to grow into NHL ready impact players.

When their time comes, it's not because we traded a vet and have to plug someone in like in years past.....or we went cheap in Wangville.

We thankfully have the ability to put kids in when we feel they will contribute to winning more by being in the lineup than not.

So I'll happily wait. And I'm not against a cup of coffee for a kid who is doing very well.....so long as we don't jump the gun as is almost TRADITION with this organization.

 

[Darth Milbury]

I cannot tell if Darth is being sarcastic with this one I think he is I dunno lol

No, I wasn't being sarcastic. There's a little tension between Isles and Jets fans because of Hamonic's situation, but 90% of those guys are great posters who I enjoy reading.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Ah, but Winnipeg vs any other team when it's sold out (and living an hour drive from home) will be a more enjoyable season for him.

Word. ( I never speak that language but for some reason that reply was what I needed to say)

 

[Boxertim]

Ah, but Winnipeg vs any other team when it's sold out (and living an hour drive from home) will be a more enjoyable season for him.

It doesn't take an hour to drive anywhere in winnipeg

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

Does it take an hour to drive to a place that's an hour from Winnipeg?

 

[Darth Milbury]

Does it take an hour to drive to a place that's an hour from Winnipeg?

No, that only takes 45 minutes.

 

[periferal]

It doesn't take an hour to drive anywhere in winnipeg

Does it take an hour to drive to a place that's an hour from Winnipeg?

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/MTS+Centre,+Portage+Avenue,+Winnipeg,+MB,+Canada/St+Malo,+MB+R0A,+Canada/@49.6302227,-97.3558613,93271m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x52ea7159a364808f:0xe45a75348e3b2f30!2m2!1d-97.143723!2d49.8925425!1m5!1m1!1s0x52c1a52b0e87cd47:0x4af8a1dc5002275e!2m2!1d-96.9536156!2d49.3140936

 

[crasherino]

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/MTS+Centre,+Portage+Avenue,+Winnipeg,+MB,+Canada/St+Malo,+MB+R0A,+Canada/@49.6302227,-97.3558613,93271m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x52ea7159a364808f:0xe45a75348e3b2f30!2m2!1d-97.143723!2d49.8925425!1m5!1m1!1s0x52c1a52b0e87cd47:0x4af8a1dc5002275e!2m2!1d-96.9536156!2d49.3140936

Didn't realize St. Malo and Warroad, MN were so close. I wonder if Hamonic and Brock ever played each other growing up.

 

[seafoam]

I love Travis, and hope that he has a reason to change his mind. But failing that, I'm going to have to look down the line a bit to maximize the return for him. If that means getting a guy like Byfuglien along with a valuable pick or a prospect, then so be it. If it means buying low on RNH, fine - so long as we can acquire a vet DMAN to replace Hamonic through the year's end.

For any team out west that will have to deal with a guy like McDavid for the next 10+ years, having a Travis Hamonic on the team will be an incredibly huge benefit. Hell, we all watched him handle Malkin in the playoffs. It's actually a bit crazy to me that more of those western teams aren't making a stronger push to get him. He's captain material, easily. In fact, for this reason alone, Edmonton should be offering the best package for Travis. They can use him as a captain and shutdown dman, and wouldn't have to worry about him in the playoffs.

Apparently, I'm in the minority in my belief that we can replace Travis with a non-Travis and still be successful this year. But I do believe that Pulock and probably Mayfield will be ready by next year so we really need to bridge a fairly short time gap on D. Buff fills that gap, even though we won't be re-signing him. The supplemental pick or prospect would have to offset the value of having Hamonic longterm.

It shouldn't be crazy to you.

Both Calgary and Edmonton are no where near a playoff spot while the Isles are. It makes no sense to trade for Hamonic right now if you are Calgary or Edmonton because they likely aren't going anywhere this season with or without Hamonic, so they'd be paying NYI's 'playoff spot price' for no reason (if that makes sense)

There will be a big push for Hamonic in the offseason when teams like Calgary and Edmonton will look to have an offseason similar to the one Snow pulled off when he acquired Boychuk, Grabovski, Halak, Kulemin, and Leddy. No cap, roster limit, etc.

It's also more likely that the asking price for Hamonic could shift from another Hamonic-caliber defenseman to something like, a top 5 pick? Mayfield will have three pro seasons under his belt and Pulock two, and there is always the UFA/RFA market as well as guys with one year left on their deal (Shattenkirk).

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/MTS+Centre,+Portage+Avenue,+Winnipeg,+MB,+Canada/St+Malo,+MB+R0A,+Canada/@49.6302227,-97.3558613,93271m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x52ea7159a364808f:0xe45a75348e3b2f30!2m2!1d-97.143723!2d49.8925425!1m5!1m1!1s0x52c1a52b0e87cd47:0x4af8a1dc5002275e!2m2!1d-96.9536156!2d49.3140936

58 minutes isn't an hour, man.

 

[doublechili]

58 minutes isn't an hour, man.

Depends on traffic.

 

[RMimagery]

I love Travis, and hope that he has a reason to change his mind. But failing that, I'm going to have to look down the line a bit to maximize the return for him. If that means getting a guy like Byfuglien along with a valuable pick or a prospect, then so be it. If it means buying low on RNH, fine - so long as we can acquire a vet DMAN to replace Hamonic through the year's end.

For any team out west that will have to deal with a guy like McDavid for the next 10+ years, having a Travis Hamonic on the team will be an incredibly huge benefit. Hell, we all watched him handle Malkin in the playoffs. It's actually a bit crazy to me that more of those western teams aren't making a stronger push to get him. He's captain material, easily. In fact, for this reason alone, Edmonton should be offering the best package for Travis. They can use him as a captain and shutdown dman, and wouldn't have to worry about him in the playoffs.

Apparently, I'm in the minority in my belief that we can replace Travis with a non-Travis and still be successful this year. But I do believe that Pulock and probably Mayfield will be ready by next year so we really need to bridge a fairly short time gap on D. Buff fills that gap, even though we won't be re-signing him. The supplemental pick or prospect would have to offset the value of having Hamonic longterm.

I think Pulock and Mayfield (and obviously Pelech who has spent time up) will be ready near the end of this season. That gives Snow some options at least. I would rather have them play with say, a dozen games left than throw them in the fire the way Mayfield was forced to vs WAS - though he didn't look out of place at all.

Imagine getting Polak and having Butchie deal with Polak, Pulock and Pelech

 

[Abe Vukota]

It shouldn't be crazy to you.

Both Calgary and Edmonton are no where near a playoff spot while the Isles are. It makes no sense to trade for Hamonic right now if you are Calgary or Edmonton because they likely aren't going anywhere this season with or without Hamonic, so they'd be paying NYI's 'playoff spot price' for no reason (if that makes sense)

There will be a big push for Hamonic in the offseason when teams like Calgary and Edmonton will look to have an offseason similar to the one Snow pulled off when he acquired Boychuk, Grabovski, Halak, Kulemin, and Leddy. No cap, roster limit, etc.

It's also more likely that the asking price for Hamonic could shift from another Hamonic-caliber defenseman to something like, a top 5 pick? Mayfield will have three pro seasons under his belt and Pulock two, and there is always the UFA/RFA market as well as guys with one year left on their deal (Shattenkirk).

I wrongly assumed a team like Winnipeg would trip over itself to acquire someone who is willing to live in Winnipeg. I was one of the lone defenders of Buffalo as a livable destination, but Winnipeg?

Neighborhoods more dangerous than Compton, LA? Check. http://www.immigroup.com/news/top-5-worst-places-live-canada-violent-crime-rate

Rampant racism? Check. http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/welcome-to-winnipeg-where-canadas-racism-problem-is-at-its-worst/

Distance from major cities? I mean, look at a map. Check.

I have nothing against Winnipeg at all. I'm sure it's mostly safe and mostly not super-racist. But by no means can it be described as a place people flock to, so if a really excellent player with a lot of term says he wants to be there, it seems well worth it to do virtually anything to secure his services. Most of the arguments in favor of living in really cold, really dark places boils down to "Eh, you get used to it." This guy IS TOTALLY INTO IT! Trade whatever it takes, by God.

 

[BroadwayJay*]

I wrongly assumed a team like Winnipeg would trip over itself to acquire someone who is willing to live in Winnipeg. I was one of the lone defenders of Buffalo as a livable destination, but Winnipeg?

Neighborhoods more dangerous than Compton, LA? Check. http://www.immigroup.com/news/top-5-worst-places-live-canada-violent-crime-rate

Rampant racism? Check. http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/welcome-to-winnipeg-where-canadas-racism-problem-is-at-its-worst/

Distance from major cities? I mean, look at a map. Check.

I have nothing against Winnipeg at all. I'm sure it's mostly safe and mostly not super-racist. But by no means can it be described as a place people flock to, so if a really excellent player with a lot of term says he wants to be there, it seems well worth it to do virtually anything to secure his services. Most of the arguments in favor of living in really cold, really dark places boils down to "Eh, you get used to it." This guy IS TOTALLY INTO IT! Trade whatever it takes, by God.

What smokeshow wife of a multi-millionaire athlete wouldn't want to live in this sprawling metropolis?

 

[Strummergas]

What smokeshow wife of a multi-millionaire athlete wouldn't want to live in this sprawling metropolis?

What wife? I thought he had a child out of wed-lock? (Paging 1953 for their code of morality...)

 

[Space Herpe]

58 minutes isn't an hour, man.

They use the metric system in the Great White North!

 

[islandermaniac]

What smokeshow wife of a multi-millionaire athlete wouldn't want to live in this sprawling metropolis?

well, in defence of winnipegers, at least they didn't slaughter first nations groups by the thousands like a certain other country we all know...

sorry, broadway...i meant to reply to vukota's post

 

[PK Cronin]

well, in defence of winnipegers, at least they didn't slaughter first nations groups by the thousands like a certain other country we all know...

sorry, broadway...i meant to reply to vukota's post

Those dirty dirty redcoats.

 

[Abe Vukota]

well, in defence of winnipegers, at least they didn't slaughter first nations groups by the thousands like a certain other country we all know...

sorry, broadway...i meant to reply to vukota's post

Plot twist: http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/genocide.pdf

 

[BroadwayJay*]

Plot twist: http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/genocide.pdf

Canadian history with first nations is not very good.

And it is still not very good. I'm always reading about how police won't take disappearances of first nation women seriously and the rapes, etc...

Not really part of this thread though.

Winnipeg is cold. Not a great place to live.

 

[PK Cronin]

I know I participated in the derailing here, but lets circle back a bit to the actual topic.

 

[Darth Milbury]

One question: Pierre LeBrun reported that the Jets and Isles had "extensive discussions" and were still talking (I got this third hand from the trade board). If that is true, what could "extensive discussions" involve?

Isles: We want Trouba.
Jets: You can't have him. You can have Souray.
Isles: No UFAs.
Jets: OK you can have Myers.


What else is there to say? Seems like one phone conversation would have set the parameters for what can and can't happen.

 

[Spybot]

One question: Pierre LeBrun reported that the Jets and Isles had "extensive discussions" and were still talking (I got this third hand from the trade board). If that is true, what could "extensive discussions" involve?

Isles: We want Trouba.
Jets: You can't have him. You can have Souray.
Isles: No UFAs.
Jets: OK you can have Myers.


What else is there to say? Seems like one phone conversation would have set the parameters for what can and can't happen.

Snow feels he should have more than Myers? Or maybe there's forwards on the table. I know that's not what Snow (or anybody) wants, but if the offer is too good (whatever that means) at one point you have to stop and think about it.

 

[PK Cronin]

One question: Pierre LeBrun reported that the Jets and Isles had "extensive discussions" and were still talking (I got this third hand from the trade board). If that is true, what could "extensive discussions" involve?

Isles: We want Trouba.
Jets: You can't have him. You can have Souray.
Isles: No UFAs.
Jets: OK you can have Myers.


What else is there to say? Seems like one phone conversation would have set the parameters for what can and can't happen.

I imagine they have discussions a little deeper than NHL 16 proposals.

They probably discussed value, what the issue is, and what Winnipeg is trying to do with their own players prior to making a deal.