Travis Hamonic has requested a trade PART II

[boredmale]

If it's Hamonic for Myers straight up, the Isles lose that deal. Hamonic is much better than Myers and his contract is just as good.

If a team is looking at caphit Hamonic deal much better then Myers, if they looking at actual salary Myers actually has a better deal. Sadly I think both Islanders and Jets will view it on the basis of actual salary. All that being said Hamonic has 1 more year on his deal so that works in Hamonic's favor

 

[blitzkriegs]

It may not be universally accepted, but many do feel that Trouba was the best pick of the 2012 draft & if this draft was done over, would have had Edmonton take him at #1.

You guys had Griffin Reinhart so that's a good comparable only imagine he was already playing at Hamonics level at 21 years of age.

Trouba's a stud defender 4 years younger with elite potential. Trouba will always be => Hamonic, however he also may end up =>Suter.

The Isles are one of my favourite teams. It's a shame this has occurred, but it has. Snow needed to make this deal before it went public. Speculation has that occurring to drive up his value.

That's a good idea IF Hamonic was willing to play anywhere. He's not.

EDM picking someone at #1 isn't some badge of honor by a player (or the team).

 

[blitzkriegs]

None of those players have been home because none of them have a sick family member. The benefit to living in Western Canada and not necessarily Winnipeg is the obvious logic of finding nonstop flights with no customs visits. If you have been following this thread you would see why your logic is incomplete, and everyone else here has done a pretty solid job of filling in the gaps. No to mention Hamonic stated he would take a trade to Western Canada. Of course he's not going to relocate his family outside of Canada, but he can sure as hell take a short flight on 2 game weeks IF the situation arises. Hamonic hasn't stated what the problem is and you are already assuming he's going to need to travel home quite often. I believe he just wants the OPTION of a short trip IN CASE something happens, not the option to go home once a week.

There's no proof to Hamonic's reason 'why' he wants a trade to western Canada - it's ALL speculation.

 

[LeapOnOver]

There's no proof to Hamonic's reason 'why' he wants a trade to western Canada - it's ALL speculation.

I never said there was proof...what's your point?

 

[blitzkriegs]

I never said there was proof...what's your point?

You are alluding to Hamonics reason is due to a sick family member.

 

[BroadwayJay*]

That's a good idea IF Hamonic was willing to play anywhere. He's not.

What is the relevance of "where Hamonic is willing to play"?

He'll play where he is traded, he has no control over that.

 

[LeapOnOver]

You are alluding to Hamonics reason is due to a sick family member.

Okay, and so....there's a ton of speculating going on through this whole thread. Really has nothing to do with the point of my response to the Fonz...just curious why you are only calling me out lol...

There are some out there that have already started speculating on the illness like it's set in stone.

 

[YoureMyBoyLou]

If a team is looking at caphit Hamonic deal much better then Myers, if they looking at actual salary Myers actually has a better deal. Sadly I think both Islanders and Jets will view it on the basis of actual salary. All that being said Hamonic has 1 more year on his deal so that works in Hamonic's favor

We are going to lose this trade. There is no way another team will trade their Hamonic for ours. The question is how much will we lose this trade by.

 

[kpap57]

We are going to lose this trade. There is no way another team will trade their Hamonic for ours. The question is how much will we lose this trade by.

That's why I hope we package for an upgrade.

 

[Rhino1985]

We are going to lose this trade. There is no way another team will trade their Hamonic for ours. The question is how much will we lose this trade by.

I don't know why some people think it's a forgone conclusion we lose on this trade. We could potentially upgrade. There are so many things that can happen in between now and the trade deadline.

What if Grabovski was packaged with Hammer? All of sudden, we have more cap to resign Okposo or Frans.

What if a contending team gets a long term injury to their top 4?

What worries me is that Ryan Pulock or Scott Mayfield are not on the roster RIGHT NOW. These right handed dmen should start getting experience now because when Hammer is gone, they need to be up here. If one of them can be steady, then we can more easily accept a forward in a trade.

 

[Darth Milbury]

What is the relevance of "where Hamonic is willing to play"?

He'll play where he is traded, he has no control over that.

After the Isles claimed Nabby on waivers, there was a huge firestorm on the main board. A whole slew of posters were screaming that the Isles absolutely had to let Nabby play wherever he wanted (which they assured us could never be the Island) or no UFA would ever sign here.


After Grabner scored those 30 goals, there was a thread on the Cat's board about how other GMs were going to "get even" with Snow for pulling the dirty trick of claiming Grabner.

There are always posters who tell us confidently where players are willing to sign, what GMs are thinking, who likes who, who is a problem in the lockerroom, etc.


In reality, all of us know exactly nothing about what is happening behind the scenes.


The only "facts" are that Hamonic has asked for a trade, Snow is trying to accommodate him, Hamonic does not have an NTC, and we know he's had conversations with multiple teams.


The fans who somehow assume they know what is happening are, IMO, pretty childish. The can't separate chatboard speculation from reality, like all of life is a video game.


Posters always seem to believe that they know what players are thinking, what GMs are doing, etc.

 

[Darth Milbury]

We are going to lose this trade. There is no way another team will trade their Hamonic for ours. The question is how much will we lose this trade by.

I'll disagree. I think we lose in the SHORT TERM. But, I suspect that futures will be at least part of the deal.

 

[BroadwayJay*]

After the Isles claimed Nabby on waivers, there was a huge firestorm on the main board. A whole slew of posters were screaming that the Isles absolutely had to let Nabby play wherever he wanted (which they assured us could never be the Island) or no UFA would ever sign here.


After Grabner scored those 30 goals, there was a thread on the Cat's board about how other GMs were going to "get even" with Snow for pulling the dirty trick of claiming Grabner.

There are always posters who tell us confidently where players are willing to sign, what GMs are thinking, who likes who, who is a problem in the lockerroom, etc.


In reality, all of us know exactly nothing about what is happening behind the scenes.


The only "facts" are that Hamonic has asked for a trade, Snow is trying to accommodate him, Hamonic does not have an NTC, and we know he's had conversations with multiple teams.


The fans who somehow assume they know what is happening are, IMO, pretty childish. The can't separate chatboard speculation from reality, like all of life is a video game.


Posters always seem to believe that they know what players are thinking, what GMs are doing, etc.

If anyone doesn't know already, this guy gets it.

That should have been obvious at first sight of the avatar though anyway.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

There's no proof to Hamonic's reason 'why' he wants a trade to western Canada - it's ALL speculation.

Just in own words to the media.......

“At the root of all this is a personal family matter of mine that I hold dear to my heart,†Hamonic said after practice, just one day after it his trade request was revealed.

“Things about my family have been well documented in the past. In this situation, that’s as far as I’m going to go: It’s a personal family matter. I probably wouldn’t want to get more into detail.â€

As to what the family matter is, no one knows for sure, and it's only at this point that speculation begins as to which one of his brother, 3 sisters, mother, extended family, or fiance is what he's referring to. All of which, by the way, live in Winnipeg other than the brother.

The ESPN E:60 feature presentation "In The Name Of The Father" gets deeply into the subject & displays how deeply his love of family have moulded & shaped his career. For those that haven't seen it, watch it & then post as to what you think he's talking about in the after practice quotes from 2 weeks ago.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11915798

It should help everyone speculate much better.

 

[CodeE]

Hamonic's only destination is Winnipeg.

Neither is a trade to Edmonton or Vancouver bound to happen as there's zero benefit.

A trade anywhere else but Winnipeg isn't logical & there's no way any other team is taking a chance on this all the while knowing he'll want a trade from them as well. Snow has one option, Winnipeg. There's no other destination, stop fooling yourselves. Snow's back is against the wall.

If either Myers OR Byfuglien aren't enough & Snow really wants Trouba, there's no way a deal gets done without a VERY significant forward or left shooting defensemen being added.

Snow better hope the Jets don't turn things around, because the better the Jets play, the worse our offer will become. Think Postma & a first rounder.

It'll get even worse if the Penguins, Jersey or Philadelphia turn it on. You'll be looking at only draft picks should you be on the wrong side of the playoff line & despite this poor initial start, don't expect the Jets to be a handing the Islander a top 10 draft pick. This team is making the playoffs too.

Snow it sucks to be you. Worse it sucks to be Hamonic. Let the poor guy come home & accept a fair deal.

I've been battling in the Hamonic trade proposal threads since the rumor first came out, honestly believe this post is the most homerish "everything's going to go my way because I say so" post I've read outta all of them.

Congrats!

 

[Felix Unger]

Just in own words to the media.......

“At the root of all this is a personal family matter of mine that I hold dear to my heart,†Hamonic said after practice, just one day after it his trade request was revealed.

“Things about my family have been well documented in the past. In this situation, that’s as far as I’m going to go: It’s a personal family matter. I probably wouldn’t want to get more into detail.â€

As to what the family matter is, no one knows for sure, and it's only at this point that speculation begins as to which one of his brother, 3 sisters, mother, extended family, or fiance is what he's referring to. All of which, by the way, live in Winnipeg other than the brother.

The ESPN E:60 feature presentation "In The Name Of The Father" gets deeply into the subject & displays how deeply his love of family have moulded & shaped his career. For those that haven't seen it, watch it & then post as to what you think he's talking about in the after practice quotes from 2 weeks ago.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11915798

It should help everyone speculate much better.

 

[enigmatic]

fonz,

you realize that we hold his rights, and not vice a versa, right? as much as you may want to get hammer for postma, there is a higher chance of someone mistaking your posts for candor on the real situation

 

[Rhino1985]

After the Isles claimed Nabby on waivers, there was a huge firestorm on the main board. A whole slew of posters were screaming that the Isles absolutely had to let Nabby play wherever he wanted (which they assured us could never be the Island) or no UFA would ever sign here.


After Grabner scored those 30 goals, there was a thread on the Cat's board about how other GMs were going to "get even" with Snow for pulling the dirty trick of claiming Grabner.

There are always posters who tell us confidently where players are willing to sign, what GMs are thinking, who likes who, who is a problem in the lockerroom, etc.


In reality, all of us know exactly nothing about what is happening behind the scenes.


The only "facts" are that Hamonic has asked for a trade, Snow is trying to accommodate him, Hamonic does not have an NTC, and we know he's had conversations with multiple teams.


The fans who somehow assume they know what is happening are, IMO, pretty childish. The can't separate chatboard speculation from reality, like all of life is a video game.


Posters always seem to believe that they know what players are thinking, what GMs are doing, etc.

great post.

 

[RMimagery]

I've been battling in the Hamonic trade proposal threads since the rumor first came out, honestly believe this post is the most homerish "everything's going to go my way because I say so" post I've read outta all of them.

Congrats!

Agreed. The stench of hubris and immaturity is overwhelming.

 

[Darth Milbury]

fonz,

you realize that we hold his rights, and not vice a versa, right? as much as you may want to get hammer for postma, there is a higher chance of someone mistaking your posts for candor on the real situation

Multiple GMs, including Don Maloney and VAN's GM have acknowledged trade talks with Garth Snow. Per TSN, he has had active negotiations with five separate teams in the last few weeks. But, of course all that is simply Snow manipulating trade value. Because, apparently every GM in the NHL is an idiot and Snow can simply pull the wool over their eyes in that manner.


Hamonic, for his part, has been granted a retroactive NTC. He can now tell Snow exactly where he wants to play, and demand a trade to that specific team over the next few weeks!

I guess there is a lot happening here that none of us are willing to accept.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

fonz,

you realize that we hold his rights, and not vice a versa, right? as much as you may want to get hammer for postma, there is a higher chance of someone mistaking your posts for candor on the real situation

I'm well aware that Hamonic for Postma is not feasible. Postma is a 3rd pairing defenseman, but a power play specialist with some upside. Just 2 years ago he was an all star RD in the AHL. He can't crack the Jets lineup, we're too deep at that position. If Postma was involved there'd be a HEAVY +++ from the Jets, a first round pick at bare minimum along with a roster player.

All I'm suggesting is that the end destination for Hamonic is Winnipeg & when it happens the trade will involve one of our three starting RD. Postma has been in the pressbox for the last two years & will remain there until Byfuglien is signed, dealt or lost to UFA.

It's clear Buff's contract status make him unattractive, Myers, in Isles fans eyes, is <Hamonic & Trouba is an "untouchable." There is however no such thing as untouchable (see Gretzky), so any Hamonic / Trouba trade will involve a + from the Isles.

http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2015020350

Check out goal beginning at 3:15 in the above clip from the Jets last Sunday.

From the Jets perspective there's alot being asked of them. Our RD is fine. Our league worst LD is the problem. If only Travis shot left........

Back to speculating, I feel that all the talk with other teams which has occurred involves a 3 team deal.

 

[Felix Unger]

From the Jets perspective there's alot being asked of them. Our RD is fine. Our league worst LD is the problem. If only Travis shot left........

Which is precisely why Edmonton is a more likely trade destination. So could you please STOP.

Thanks in advance!

 

[BroadwayJay*]

All I'm suggesting is that the end destination for Hamonic is Winnipeg

Really? Seems like you were doing a lot more than suggesting.

But what do I know? I'm just a simple city lawyer. All I can do is rely on what you've said before...

Speculate all you want, in the end Hamonic will playing in Winnipeg. The longer you hold out the worse the offers will get.

Hamonic's only destination is Winnipeg. ... Snow has one option, Winnipeg. There's no other destination, stop fooling yourselves. Snow's back is against the wall.

Snow it sucks to be you. Worse it sucks to be Hamonic. Let the poor guy come home & accept a fair deal.

 

[TeamKidd]

Agreed. The stench of hubris and immaturity is overwhelming.

people often see in the world the way they are themselves.

 

[Boxertim]

The Jets board is no longer even talking about this....the threads are locked.