Salary Cap: Trading Marner a possibility?

[BlueForever75]

Everyone has been making such a big deal about the Leafs salary cap situation over the past couple of months since the Nylander signing. Everyone saying that it is Nylander that needs to be moved to accommodate the salary cap concerns.

My question is with what Stone signed for yesterday with Vegas, the Nylander contract actually isn't that bad considering production and age of the two comparabes. I am going to argue that the Leafs deal with Nylander looks better considering their skill sets.

With that said, if Stone is capable of setting a new bar for wingers at 9.5 million a season for what he brings. This means Marner will easily break 10 million a season.

Is Marner that important to the Leafs future? Can we deal Marner at his age, and skill set for a huge return? Maybe include other contracts (Brown and Zaitsev) in a deal that will not only open cap space but allow us to keep younger players (Kapanen and Johnsson) on team long term, and allow us to fix our defense and skill set on forward lines like we need to!!

What do you think we can get for Marner in a deal with teams? Just curious.

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[Ziggdiezan]

Everyone has been making such a big deal about the Leafs salary cap situation over the past couple of months since the Nylander signing. Everyone saying that it is Nylander that needs to be moved to accommodate the salary cap concerns.

My question is with what Stone signed for yesterday with Vegas, the Nylander contract actually isn't that bad considering production and age of the two comparabes. I am going to argue that the Leafs deal with Nylander looks better considering their skill sets.

With that said, if Stone is capable of setting a new bar for wingers at 9.5 million a season for what he brings. This means Marner will easily break 10 million a season.

Is Marner that important to the Leafs future? Can we deal Marner at his age, and skill set for a huge return? Maybe include other contracts (Brown and Zaitsev) in a deal that will not only open cap space but allow us to keep younger players (Kapanen and Johnsson) on team long term, and allow us to fix our defense and skill set on forward lines like we need to!!

What do you think we can get for Marner in a deal with teams? Just curious.

Marner will be a career leaf. There is a 0% chance he is moved, Matthews gets moved before Marner (because of having an elite #1C in JT)

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

You trade other players in order to fit Marner's salary. Not the other way around

 

[Sypher04]

Marner will be a career leaf. There is a 0% chance he is moved, Matthews gets moved before Marner (because of having an elite #1C in JT)

It's a moot point because neither is happening, but no he absolutely does not.

 

[Advanced stats]

Stone is fairly comparable to Marner in terms of impact.

If anything the stone contract is a bargaining chip in Dubas's court.

Marner won't get over 10

 

[ToneDog]

You trade other players in order to fit Marner's salary. Not the other way around

What do you do if he wants Tavares money ? I would shop him before I overpay again.

 

[A1LeafNation]

4 1sts and Panarin

vs.

Marner

You cant fall in love with your players if a better return is out there.

 

[Matthews34]

Everyone has been making such a big deal about the Leafs salary cap situation over the past couple of months since the Nylander signing. Everyone saying that it is Nylander that needs to be moved to accommodate the salary cap concerns.

My question is with what Stone signed for yesterday with Vegas, the Nylander contract actually isn't that bad considering production and age of the two comparabes. I am going to argue that the Leafs deal with Nylander looks better considering their skill sets.

With that said, if Stone is capable of setting a new bar for wingers at 9.5 million a season for what he brings. This means Marner will easily break 10 million a season.

Is Marner that important to the Leafs future? Can we deal Marner at his age, and skill set for a huge return? Maybe include other contracts (Brown and Zaitsev) in a deal that will not only open cap space but allow us to keep younger players (Kapanen and Johnsson) on team long term, and allow us to fix our defense and skill set on forward lines like we need to!!

What do you think we can get for Marner in a deal with teams? Just curious.

Can we trade you as a fan?

 

[Ziggdiezan]

It's a moot point because neither is happening, but no he absolutely does not.

There is no way of knowing because as you say neither will be traded. That being said I honestly could see a chance that Matthews is not a leaf after his current contract, Marner on the other hand will be here for the next 15 years.

 

[Leaftors]

Ya i wouldn't move marner.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

4 1sts and Panarin

vs.

Marner

You cant fall in love with your players if a better return is out there.

Pretty sure Panarin will be signed on the first eligible day this summer so it isnt that cut and dry. Panarin could sign with someone else and then the leafs get offersheeted for Marner.

 

[ToneDog]

I believe Leafs paid Matthews what they did because the feared a team might offersheet him with close to max money. The way I look at it is, Matthews > 4 1sts < Marner.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'd trade Nylander before Marner
Just sayin'

 

[SprDaVE]

Marner is one of the most important pieces of this team moving forward. He plays in literally every key situation and many times can be the engine behind momentum shifts or making top end plays.

He'd be the least likely forward moved in the next few years right next to Matthews, Tavares and probably even Nylander. That's your main forward core that will not change for probably at least 5 years. 5 years is a lot of time though.

I have no idea what it would take to trade for Marner but I will confidently say that not a single team will reach the Leafs return desire to trade him any time soon.

I don't understand why Leaf fans are always trying to find ways to destroy their team, or think they need to trade a top end player just because he's going to make a lot of money. It's mind boggling. Stop. Please.

 

[Once]

Yeah......no. Horrible idea.

 

[Warden of the North]

4 1sts and Panarin

vs.

Marner

You cant fall in love with your players if a better return is out there.

Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy, Frederik Gauthier, Phillipe Paradis and 30 year old Panarin vs 24 year old Marner?

I take Marner

 

[justafan22]

You trade other players in order to fit Marner's salary. Not the other way around

If Nylander sticks at C this year, I'm not against trading Kadri for that RHD upgrade

 

[Sypher04]

There is no way of knowing because as you say neither will be traded. That being said I honestly could see a chance that Matthews is not a leaf after his current contract, Marner on the other hand will be here for the next 15 years.

That's an entirely different argument to me. The only way that happens imo is if Matthews decides he doesn't want to play here, which is not something I'm personally worried about.

Sometimes I think people don't recognize just how rare a player like Auston Matthews actually is.

Big, strong, elite level goalscoring center who also has top tier defensive abilities.

 

[justafan22]

Tyler Biggs, Stuart Percy, Frederik Gauthier, Phillipe Paradis and 30 year old Panarin vs 24 year old Marner?

I take Marner

Not at 11 million.

 

[BlueForever75]

Can we trade you as a fan?

Based on your pic I take it you are as big as a fan as I in Matthews. He is your future as a #1C. I only state the possibility of trading Marner or having him OS and walking away for the betterment of the team.

I would take 4 1st's from a team and go out and sign Skinner and Ferland in a heartbeat.

If you are a Leaf fan you would too.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Here's a full list of everyone I would trade before I lose Marner:

Marleau
Zaitsev
Brown
Kadri
Hyman
Kapanen
Johnsson
Muzzin
Babcock
The Scotiabank
Obama
Andersen
Myself
God
Nylander
My cats
Any other divine entities
The rights to Aaltonen
Rielly

I don't even care about what we'd get back.

 

[Warden of the North]

Not at 11 million.

I do.

And Panarin likely gets 10+

 

[Buds17]

When talking about dealing a player for a huge return, it seems logical that the player would be of great value to more than just the team that'd be acquiring him. If the intention is at all to create cap space, I'd first consider options a bit lower down the depth chart.

 

[Sypher04]

Based on your pic I take it you are as big as a fan as I in Matthews. He is your future as a #1C. I only state the possibility of trading Marner or having him OS and walking away for the betterment of the team.

I would take 4 1st's from a team and go out and sign Skinner and Ferland in a heartbeat.

If you are a Leaf fan you would too.

That's not a fair statement at all. To win cups you need the horses. Marner is one of ours. We aren't moving him to make room for Skinner and Ferland. 4 firsts or not.

I mean then what, 1 of those firsts becomes an elite player like Marner (if we're lucky) and we just trade him so we don't have to pay him too?

We're not Ottawa.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

That's an entirely different argument to me. The only way that happens imo is if Matthews decides he doesn't want to play here, which is not something I'm personally worried about.

Sometimes I think people don't recognize just how rare a player like Auston Matthews actually is.

Big, strong, elite level goalscoring center who also has top tier defensive abilities.

That is part of the argument as to why I would trade Matthews before Marner, not to mention the fact I think Matthews will be injury plagued most of his career. Takes a lot of abuse doing what he does unfortunately.

I wouldnt say top tier defensive abilities quite yet but certainly well above average and improving. Dont get me wrong, I think Matthews is unbelievable but I get the feeling he will want to test UFA at some point.