txpd
Registered User
Its only strange if you are an in house fan that sees the team everyday and knows he is not for sale.
We are fairly deep in this thread to get the first suggestion he is not for sale.
Player Discussion Trading Jay Beagle
- Thread starter txpd
- Start date
Its only strange if you are an in house fan that sees the team everyday and knows he is not for sale.
We are fairly deep in this thread to get the first suggestion he is not for sale.
Every player is for sale but they aren’t interested in trading someone they just signed. Didn’t realize you were a Caps fan, makes sense now
Thanks. Unfortunately, many Canucks posters here do not understand that Beagle was a 4th line anchor for the Caps for many years.
Imagine that, a young team like the 2008 capitals going with a young C to grow with their young group. Hmm.
Just A Bit Outside
Playoffs??!
- Mar 6, 2010
- 16,593
- 15,535
Who the hell would want Beagle at his current salary? Some major salary retention would be required.
Billy Kvcmu
Registered User
Luckily Subban is even worse
He even plays on the Marlins 4th line occasionally
UK Canuck
Registered User
- Dec 27, 2018
- 917
- 1,303
I'd argue the major thing we have going for us is we actually have 4 legit NHL Centres down the middle, Beagle is fine as the 4C, he brings good defence & veteran leadership, Sutter is the one I'd look to (maybe) move in the offseason, leave Gaudette in Utica for the rest of the year with the hope he can be our 3C in 2019-20
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
I know what you meant but doesn't this imply he was a liability? I would've described him as a linchpin (no confusion there) on that line. I would call Sutter an anchor on any offensive line (as in black hole). Or am I out to lunch?
You guys laugh at the Beagle vs 1st, but forgot to read that, I said 50% retention.
Salary Cap for 2018-2019 $79.5m for 23 Active Roster Spot.
Considering Salary Retention, Burying Contracts, Buyouts, Injuries, I'm going to give it a nice 26 spots on average.
$79.5 / 26 is $3.06m, average salary.
Beagle, on any measurement, is better than an average player. With Salary Cap keep going up, on a $3m deal he has for 3 more years is a good deal.
I don't think asking for a 1st, for a 50% retention, lowering his cap hit to $1.5m, is asking too much.
Especially considering, I said, as a fan's perspective, and that, I wouldn't want to trade him, but a 1st is the only way I'd give him up, as he is providing great minutes and mentoring our young guys.
Salary Cap for 2018-2019 $79.5m for 23 Active Roster Spot.
Considering Salary Retention, Burying Contracts, Buyouts, Injuries, I'm going to give it a nice 26 spots on average.
$79.5 / 26 is $3.06m, average salary.
Beagle, on any measurement, is better than an average player. With Salary Cap keep going up, on a $3m deal he has for 3 more years is a good deal.
I don't think asking for a 1st, for a 50% retention, lowering his cap hit to $1.5m, is asking too much.
Especially considering, I said, as a fan's perspective, and that, I wouldn't want to trade him, but a 1st is the only way I'd give him up, as he is providing great minutes and mentoring our young guys.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
And unfortunately some Canucks fans don't understand analytics so they won't understand how Washington has upgraded on him with a much cheaper player this year. Nic Dowd is literally outplaying what Beagle did in his old role.
I don't know why there is all the hate for Sutter. The criticism of his cap hit didn't age well, he is a solid 3rd line centre and he eats up hard minutes. I guess people are responding to how he didn't look so hot after returning from a big injury?
Beagle is the definition of replaceable. I would be over the moon if we could get a draft pick for him. I doubt it though. He is better than Gaunce though so don't get that shit twisted.
Beagle is the definition of replaceable. I would be over the moon if we could get a draft pick for him. I doubt it though. He is better than Gaunce though so don't get that shit twisted.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
Criticism of his cap hit didn't age well? What? He's an awful cap hit. Just because Benning decided to overpay more 4th liners doesn't mean Sutter's cap hit isn't bad.
The Canucks are chock full of awful cap hits: Eriksson, Sutter, Gudbranson, Beagle, Gagner, and Roussel (still a bad cap hit even if he's not useless). That's $23.5M wasted.
Just because a player plays a lot of "hard minutes" doesn't mean he's successful at it.
Hit the post
I have your gold medal Zippy!
Fixed.
1st round pick from the Caps is going to be likely a 20th pick roughly. Granted always nice to get more picks.
Fixed.
1st round pick from the Caps is going to be likely a 20th pick roughly. Granted always nice to get more picks.
I love your stuff dude!
But yeah, we could retain the whole salary and we aren't getting a first for Beagle.
I opened this thread expecting a bunch of "Please!!!" responses, and suddenly he's this irreplaceable piece? OK, then. If a younger halfway decent asset is offered, I'd take it and run.
Analytics is great, but doesn't count the contributions a player has in the locker room.
If you are doing a fantasy team, or a hockey game simulation, sure, get rid of Beagle.
But real life is no video game.
If you are doing a fantasy team, or a hockey game simulation, sure, get rid of Beagle.
But real life is no video game.
He plays hard minutes, eating them up is a different story. People want to get rid of him, because they want to turn over the roster and better invest the money.
Also, people don't feel the need to have two RH defense first C's eating up $7.5m of the cap and half the icetime when the team is deficient in other areas. It's part of the reason the Beagle signing was met with vitriol to begin with. ONe is fine, two is overkill and Sutter is likely is the hotter trade commodity.
I don't quite understand why everyone has it out for Gaunce, you know what Jay Beagle was to the Capitals when they were at a similar stage to the current Canucks....Brendan Gaunce. Gaunce may be slightly worse, but he has more upside to be more and would be a homegrown 4th liner that could grow with the core....like Beagle's been for Ovie, Kuz, Backstrom etc...also, significantly cheaper, which allows you to spend more to insulate your young talent with better talent. We'll never quite know, but I betcha Beagle couldn't outproduce Gaunce in the AHL right now.
I’d keep Beagle. He’s overpaid as a 4th line center but he’s been really good on the PK.
I’d trade Sutter not because I don’t think he’s useful but because I think you’d get a decent return.
Gaudette looks ready to step up now and will be a cheaper solution who fits into the long term plans.
I’d trade Sutter not because I don’t think he’s useful but because I think you’d get a decent return.
Gaudette looks ready to step up now and will be a cheaper solution who fits into the long term plans.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
LOL so grossly overpay a mediocre 4th liner because "he's a good guy."
That's what bad teams do.
Jay Beagle has been called a Player-Coach by Travis Green. I think they want to see him play out his term here.
y2kcanucks
Le Sex God
TruKnyte
On the wagon
Outside of Horvat, Pettersson and Boeser I would say anyone currently on the roster is tradeable. And even then I'd trade any of those three if someone like McDavid was coming back the other way.
I agree with most of this other than Sutter being worth his cap hit. He's an NHL player, who does some things well, but I think you have to dig pretty deep to find contemporaries who are paid similarly that produce as little.
I think his caphit isn't exorbitant but it isn't great value. Most good teams around the league either pay less for similar production or pay similar for considerably more.
Who are you comparing Sutter to when you're suggesting he's worth his cap hit?
