Trades and Free Agent Talk -- The calm before the storm?

[LeafsNation75]

Absolutely. I hate trading 1sts. Just saying it's an asset they have and can deal even though it would be technically, not a locked in asset but an uncertain one.

Assuming the Leafs know they will have their 2021 1st round pick I would consider trading it right before that draft, if it was for a player where you can not turn down. Plus they would know exactly where it would be, instead of trading it with no conditions like they did with Jake Muzzin or having it be conditional when they got rid of Marleau's contract.

 

[biotk]

How many of us predicted Sandin would make the NHL out of camp this year, I can almost guarantee it was under 5% of people. Let's be realistic here, no one expected Sandin to be ready yet, maybe close to but not playing everyday. I can see people expecting maybe Liljegren would've been up all year sure, but not Sandin

As someone who predicted back on March 16th on this forum that Sandin would make the team to start this season (but also said that he would be sent down before the 10 game mark because of Babcock), it was definitely way under 5%, most likely under 1%, before camp started and if you claimed that he was ahead of Liljegren (even though this was completely obvious to scouts at the time) the vitriol you would receive was amusing, but nonstop.

 

[LeafsNation75]

As someone who predicted back on March 16th on this forum that Sandin would make the team to start this season (but also said that he would be sent down before the 10 game mark because of Babcock), it was definitely way under 5%, most likely under 1%, before camp started and if you claimed that he was ahead of Liljegren (even though this was completely obvious to scouts at the time) the vitriol you would receive was amusing, but nonstop.

Sandin is projected to play his 10th game tonight and will start his ELC contract instead of pushing it back to next season.

 

[stickty111]

Bob repeating the words on sports centre.

Leafs are looking for a long term RHD or LHD that can play the right side. They want that player to be a long term partner for Rielly.

The Leafs are not in the rental market, but if the team plays well the next 2 or 3 weeks, they will be in that market. They are looking for a backup goaltender, and depth forwards with grit.

They don't want to give up Sandin, Robertson or Liljegren.

 

[nuck]

Bob repeating the words on sports centre.

Leafs are looking for a long term RHD or LHD that can play the right side. They want that player to be a long term partner for Rielly.

The Leafs are not in the rental market, but if the team plays well the next 2 or 3 weeks, they will be in that market. They are looking for a backup goaltender, and depth forwards with grit.

They don't want to give up Sandin, Robertson or Liljegren.

Interesting. So that makes both Holl and Dermott fodder for the expansion draft. Not a huge deal except Holl is in danger of becoming a rare bargain contract and we really don't know what Dermott's upside is. If accurate, I guess that would put Barrie clearly on the market unless they want to own-rental him as a #3 RD/pp specialist.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Bob repeating the words on sports centre.

Leafs are looking for a long term RHD or LHD that can play the right side. They want that player to be a long term partner for Rielly.

The Leafs are not in the rental market, but if the team plays well the next 2 or 3 weeks, they will be in that market. They are looking for a backup goaltender, and depth forwards with grit.

They don't want to give up Sandin, Robertson or Liljegren.

I feel like this is obvious speculation...

 

[biotk]

Sandin is projected to play his 10th game tonight and will start his ELC contract instead of pushing it back to next season.

I am aware of that. The only thing I thought would prevent Sandin from using a year of his ELC this year was Babs - not that I thought the ELC would have anything to do with that decision - just Babs being Babs - but Babs is gone. I think that management for NHL teams care 1000 times less about burning an ELC year than fans do.

 

[biotk]

Interesting. So that makes both Holl and Dermott fodder for the expansion draft. Not a huge deal except Holl is in danger of becoming a rare bargain contract and we really don't know what Dermott's upside is.

I wouldn't worry about it. Based on what the Leafs appear willing to pay they won't acquire a long-term top-4 D anyway.

 

[Kiwi]

Bob repeating the words on sports centre.

Leafs are looking for a long term RHD or LHD that can play the right side. They want that player to be a long term partner for Rielly.

The Leafs are not in the rental market, but if the team plays well the next 2 or 3 weeks, they will be in that market. They are looking for a backup goaltender, and depth forwards with grit.

They don't want to give up Sandin, Robertson or Liljegren.

If they want a long term partner for Rielly I'll be shocked if one of those 3 prospects isn't in the package going the other way, shocked

Those guys have significant value but so is what we're looking for

 

[Menzinger]

I am aware of that. The only thing I thought would prevent Sandin from using a year of his ELC this year was Babs - not that I thought the ELC would have anything to do with that decision - just Babs being Babs - but Babs is gone. I think that management for NHL teams care 1000 times less about burning an ELC year than fans do.

Not to mention there are advantages. It allows the team to potentially get the player signed on a longer rfa deal potentially before the player has a breakout season.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Interesting. So that makes both Holl and Dermott fodder for the expansion draft. Not a huge deal except Holl is in danger of becoming a rare bargain contract and we really don't know what Dermott's upside is. If accurate, I guess that would put Barrie clearly on the market unless they want to own-rental him as a #3 RD/pp specialist.

Who is your 3rd protected D? Rielly, Acquired guy and...? Dermott is likely protected still. Holl would only have 1 year left on his deal at that point and hopefully is our 6th best D at that point anyway.

 

[Rielly4]

Who is your 3rd protected D? Rielly, Acquired guy and...? Dermott is likely protected still. Holl would only have 1 year left on his deal at that point and hopefully is our 6th best D at that point anyway.

Assuming he meant Muzzin given the rumors that we are going to extend him. But i would definitely protect Dermott over Muzzin.

 

[Menzinger]

We can probably do that regardless of Soup's health. Kap can be the main piece in the Manson trade, and Barrie can be the main piece in the Dumba trade. I think Barrie's been better than Dumba this year.

The Wild have no need for Barrie.
Dumba is younger, cheaper and home grown talent for them too

 

[Menzinger]

Also i doubt it will be popular here, but id take Subban if the Devils retained 50% and were willing to take like a a depth player and a mid tier prospect for him.

Like Timasov+Ceci+prospect.

Subban isnt what hs used to be BUT hed give the Leafs another season to shelter Liljegren next year

 

[Canada4Gold]

Assuming he meant Muzzin given the rumors that we are going to extend him. But i would definitely protect Dermott over Muzzin.

Not sure that's a great idea depending on the cap hit of the acquired guy. It likely would probably be advised for next season given the inexperience in the bottom 4. But unless someone is going the other way you're relegating Dermott, Holl, Sandin, or Liljegren to the 7th D long term. And I really don;t expect Muzzin to age well and people expecting to get 3 years 5 million are dreaming. He'll get 4 or 5 year 6 million easy.

My ideal would be to get a clear #1 like Pietrangelo and that's it. Obviously that's pie in the sky, pun intended. but if 2 guys are added, I think 2 years is my max term on the lesser guy.

 

[jaric1862]

I think either Manson or Larsson are a leaf prior to the deadline. Hopefully it's Manson.

 

[Kiwi]

Also i doubt it will be popular here, but id take Subban if the Devils retained 50% and were willing to take like a a depth player and a mid tier prospect for him.

Like Timasov+Ceci+prospect.

Subban isnt what hs used to be BUT hed give the Leafs another season to shelter Liljegren next year

I'd doubt their keen to eat 50% of his contract

It would be worth doing for us but I doubt NJ would feel the same way

 

[Big Muddy]

How many of us predicted Sandin would make the NHL out of camp this year, I can almost guarantee it was under 5% of people. Let's be realistic here, no one expected Sandin to be ready yet, maybe close to but not playing everyday. I can see people expecting maybe Liljegren would've been up all year sure, but not Sandin

We are not scouts or coaches. Would hope our coaches, scouts and others paid to do this would figure this out. That's their job.

 

[Avilaj07]

The fact Mackenzie has mentioned the Leafs and Dumba multiple times makes me believe that he’s our #1 target.

 

[OVO16]

The fact Mackenzie has mentioned the Leafs and Dumba multiple times makes me believe that he’s our #1 target.

Did he say his name again today?

 

[Avilaj07]

Did he say his name again today?

He mentioned it again during the pre-game. I’m kinda torn with Dumba, I’m not sure how he’d fit on this team. I’d much rather a Manson/Pesce type

 

[43Kadri43]

Umm...most would add a decent piece to Kapanen if we got Dumba. That's a dream deal man.

You’re basing your opinion entirely on reputation. Dumba has been absolutely atrocious since returning from injury. He’s not worth the risk

 

[Menzinger]

I'd doubt their keen to eat 50% of his contract

It would be worth doing for us but I doubt NJ would feel the same way

Ownership and management may see value in saving 4.5 mil a y3esr in real money.

Though ive also read they seem to like him for marketing purposes too

 

[sxvnert]

Hamonic (RD) - $3,857,143
Brodie, TJ (RD) $4,650,400
Jankowski, Mark (C) $1,675,000
$10,182,543

Barrie (RD) - $2,750,000
Kapanen (RW) - $3,200,000
Ceci (RD) - $4,500,000
$10,450,000

Leafs add $267,457

Rielly Hamonic
Muzzin Brodie
Sandin Holl
Dermott

 

[Jozay]

Hamonic (RD) - $3,857,143
Brodie, TJ (RD) $4,650,400
Jankowski, Mark (C) $1,675,000
$10,182,543

Barrie (RD) - $2,750,000
Kapanen (RW) - $3,200,000
Ceci (RD) - $4,500,000
$10,450,000

Leafs add $267,457

Rielly Hamonic
Muzzin Brodie
Sandin Holl
Dermott

Cmon bro...