Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXIX

[Duncstar]

I'm smitten by the chaos girrafe nickname the nucks gave Myers so I'm pretty torn...

Whatever is best for team tank. I also concur with Chaos Girrafe. Get him for the name alone!

 

[GCK]

Is Hamonic particularly “hard” he consistently gets out wrestled by players and bullied in front of the net.

That’s not true but objectivity is not a real strength around here.

uhhhh our defensive game sucks. We are at the bottom of the league

it literally can't get much worse than this. Hamonic is a very replaceable piece as he is a bottom pairing guy

Yes our defensive game sucks. It’s a combination of coaching not adapting to the roster, forwards being young and dumb, D being soft.

 

[God Says No]

That’s not true but objectivity is not a real strength around here.


Yes our defensive game sucks. It’s a combination of coaching not adapting to the roster, forwards being young and dumb, D being soft.

That's an interesting take. Can you provide concrete examples where this was the reason for the struggles? For example in the last game?

 

[Wondercarrot]

Hamonic has three moves in our end.
1. Hard off the glass.
2. Harder off the glass.
3. Flub going off the glass right to their dman (who is eternally wide open)

 

[Burrowsaurus]

That’s not true but objectivity is not a real strength around here.


Yes our defensive game sucks. It’s a combination of coaching not adapting to the roster, forwards being young and dumb, D being soft.

I don’t see him and particularly hard to play against. He’s a step too slow.

Maybe seeing past a players reputation is also not a real strength around here

 

[armani]

LMAO

no wonder Zaitsev didnt want to go to Vancouver. He knew DJ would break

or maybe a formenton traded

I am starting to suspect Zaitsev and DJ are romantically linked.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Hamonic has three moves in our end.
1. Hard off the glass.
2. Harder off the glass.
3. Flub going off the glass right to their dman (who is eternally wide open)

Yeah but Alledgedly a juggernaut in the corners and in front of our net so…

 

[Hale The Villain]

Hamonic has not been a mistake

He absolutely has. He's not a good defenseman and he makes 3.25M in salary.

And I do suspect his acquisition played a role in the Sens not acquiring another defenseman this past off-season.

 

[GCK]

That's an interesting take. Can you provide concrete examples where this was the reason for the struggles? For example in the last game?

Lots of examples, losing battles more than half the time, terrible boxing out

 

[God Says No]

Lots of examples, losing battles more than half the time, terrible boxing out

Ok, give me a couple.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Yeah but Alledgedly a juggernaut in the corners and in front of our net so…

That juggernaut flew right by Vesey in front of the net on the first Rangers goal last night, allowing Vesey to easily put the puck in on the rebound.

He has no brain, same as our GM who willingly took him off of a Canucks team that was and still is desperate for a competent shutdown RD.

 

[Cosmix]

That's from the latest 32 thoughts.

Also some interesting stuff from Frank Seravalli...



Vegas are identified as a team that might step up and take the risk...

Wow, it appears to be happening again. Another Dorion trade to make the Senators worse!

 

[SensHulk]

No. This goes back all the way to 2010. The Sens haven’t had a capable defensive group for more than a decade.

Underlying theme is the senators just suck at developing defensemen and it’s been like that for many many many years. Every now and then you get lucky and get handed a Karlsson/Chabot/Sanderson but nobody has benefited from going through the ‘system’ and turned into a solid defensive Defenceman

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

hmmm if Vegas picks up Formenton. Martinez is likely coming back for cap space purposes and hes been rumored to be on the block.

Would love Zach Whitecloud or Nick Hague instead though.

 

[GCK]

He absolutely has. He's not a good defenseman and he makes 3.25M in salary.

And I do suspect his acquisition played a role in the Sens not acquiring another defenseman this past off-season.

Hamonic is an adequate D. Should he be slotted down to the 3rd pair, of course but it’s not his fault we don’t have anyone better. His salary is not preventing us from acquiring a D. We only have 71.5 committed this year including Zaitsev and the rumoured budget was pegged at 74-76M. Hamonic is off the books at years end so it’s not like his salary impacts future years. We have been looking for a top 4 D which would slot Hamonic perfectly but Dorion couldn’t get it done.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I don’t see him and particularly hard to play against. He’s a step too slow.

Maybe seeing past a players reputation is also not a real strength around here

He's lost a step for sure. I also find he's WILLING to play hard but loses 50-50 battles more than he should and he seems to lose them decisively and spectacularly lately.

I thought Hamonic played well for us last year and at the start of this year but his game is circling the bowl lately. Hopefully it's just a slump.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He's lost a step for sure. I also find he's WILLING to play hard but loses 50-50 battles more than he should and he seems to lose them decisively and spectacularly lately.

I thought Hamonic played well for us last year and at the start of this year but his game is circling the bowl lately. Hopefully it's just a slump.

Connor garland bullied him for a goal. Could have been considered a hate crime.

Like. He’s fine. I think under better coaching Hamonic wouldn’t look so bad. But to say his physicality is …important? To our…success? Or anything of the sort. Or we would miss it. Is going waaaaaayyyyy too far.

 

[Cosmix]

Hamonic is an adequate D. Should he be slotted down to the 3rd pair, of course but it’s not his fault we don’t have anyone better. His salary is not preventing us from acquiring a D. We only have 71.5 committed this year including Zaitsev and the rumoured budget was pegged at 74-76M. Hamonic is off the books at years end so it’s not like his salary impacts future years. We have been looking for a top 4 D which would slot Hamonic perfectly but Dorion couldn’t get it done.

Hamonic was Dorion's top 4 D acquisition. His salary is too high for 3rd pair D.

Underlying theme is the senators just suck at developing defensemen and it’s been like that for many many many years. Every now and then you get lucky and get handed a Karlsson/Chabot/Sanderson but nobody has benefited from going through the ‘system’ and turned into a solid defensive Defenceman

We could have K'Andre Miller instead of Bernard-Docker and Tychonic.

 

[Cosmix]

The NHL said they are finished their investigation, but won’t release findings until after London Police are done.

I suspect the NHL is waiting to see what the London Police do in terms of laying charges before taking any public action or making statements.

 

[GCK]

Connor garland bullied him for a goal. Could have been considered a hate crime.

Like. He’s fine. I think under better coaching Hamonic wouldn’t look so bad. But to say his physicality is …important? To our…success? Or anything of the sort. Or we would miss it. Is going waaaaaayyyyy too far.

The Garland thing was comical. We only have 2 players on the back end who have even a semblance of physicality so removing one of them is irresponsible unless that physicality is replaced.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

No.

Seravalli says the Sens are asking for a 2nd.

Dear god that's a terrible ask for a player his age, production and possible salary. Should be more imo.

 

[Korpse]

Dear god that's a terrible ask for a player his age, production and possible salary. Should be more imo.

They would be fortunate to get that given the circumstances. I don't see any team taking the risk.

 

[Cosmix]

That’s not true but objectivity is not a real strength around here.


Yes our defensive game sucks. It’s a combination of coaching not adapting to the roster, forwards being young and dumb, D being soft.

Symptoms of a GM problem!

No.

Seravalli says the Sens are asking for a 2nd. Zaitsev's negative value is probably closer to two 2nd rounders.

Question for certainty: Did Seravalli say the Senators are actually asking for a second round draft pick for Formenton, or he thinks they are?

 

[Sun God Nika]

Dorian has said in the past,
Still negotiating and can’t discuss HC and mentioned something about the NHL and their investigation.

doesn't sound like they were negotiating at all, and just waiting.

This falls on Forms too. Guy should have just signed his QO. I can't imagine the KHL is that attractive right now.

 

[UglyPuckling]

doesn't sound like they were negotiating at all, and just waiting.

This falls on Forms too. Guy should have just signed his QO. I can't imagine the KHL is that attractive right now.

Could be because the NHL have told the Senators to stand pat and do nothing.