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Who Do We Sign After McLeod and Bouchard Are Extended?


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belair

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One team usually wins a trade, and if that is so, one team inevitably has to lose that trade. Oilers management has you so negatively conditioned your assumptions automatically gravitate towards the Oilers losing that trade. I really can't blame you.

The proof is in the pudding and the anguish over the Oilers losing a steady stream of stars, and losing trades in general, has caused serious trauma amongst the fans. This is undeniable and the dread has been ongoing, more or less, for decades. The terrible transactions have become routine, with a few exceptions now and then.

When the Oilers win a trade, or anything fortunate occurs, there is tantalizing exuberance. This is well calculated to keep the long suffering faithful interested enough to keep coming back and forking over their bread.
My posting on the topic has consistently been revolved around the supporting data presented by recent trades on the immediate market. In fact it's been the scope of my posting for years. It provides more accurate comparables than any discussion regarding a GM, which has always been a foolish perspective.

Teams that frequently 'win' the trades are the ones who trade older, more expensive and expiring assets for blue chip prospects and valuable picks. Sellers are usually in the best position to 'win' in terms of perceived value because theres a longer track for those assets to pay dividends.

The Oilers wouldn't be trading from that position because they're a team that needs sustain their areas of success while improving their areas of weakness. You can't do that by moving a young, impact player for futures.

Furthermore, the Mattias Ekholm trade shows you the patience required to acquire a player of that calibre. While also giving you an idea of the cost of both the asset and the ability to facilitate the immediate financial impact of the trade.
 
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Jumptheshark

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Can someone clarify whether or not Gagner signed a PTO--I know the oilers offered him one but so did a few other teams. People on facebook and twitter are acting like it has already been done
 

Davo Ikinzom

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Can someone clarify whether or not Gagner signed a PTO--I know the oilers offered him one but so did a few other teams. People on facebook and twitter are acting like it has already been done

Not official yet, just rumors.

But I can't find anything about any other teams offering him a PTO, where do you get that?
 

Duke74

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One team usually wins a trade, and if that is so, one team inevitably has to lose that trade. Oilers management has you so negatively conditioned your assumptions automatically gravitate towards the Oilers losing that trade. I really can't blame you.

The proof is in the pudding and the anguish over the Oilers losing a steady stream of stars, and losing trades in general, has caused serious trauma amongst the fans. This is undeniable and the dread has been ongoing, more or less, for decades. The terrible transactions have become routine, with a few exceptions now and then.

When the Oilers win a trade, or anything fortunate occurs, there is tantalizing exuberance. This is well calculated to keep the long suffering faithful interested enough to keep coming back and forking over their bread.

Fans continue tuning into the broadcasts to keep those advertisement dollars rolling into the league's general revenue sharing coffers.

The Oilers drafting.

The Oilers organization drafts sketchy players. They develop them the best they can. Then they play these questionable players in the NHL.

Players with incomplete games can't compete adequately or equitably against players with more rounded games. These inadequate players in the Oilers organization are capable of competing up until a point. The point in the playoffs when they faceoff against the teams with a group of "high character" players. Then the Oilers lose.

As consequence of this continual traumatization fans pretend these deficient players are actually good players.

Fans convince one another on mass, via the echo chamber of the shill sporting media, and discussed ad nauseam in the various hockey forums, that we only lose because of bad luck and questionable officiating and that the players are greater than they actually are.

Meanwhile the teams that draft the high character more complete players, the players we often pass over, win. They win all the time. Hit after hit after hit.

Fans of these American teams don't have to pretend their deficient players are good players because they don't have the flawed players the Oilers have.

Frankly, they are the lesser fans that don't have the passion in them. The fans on this board are the best fans. The fans here are hardcore.

We have become the wide-eyed gullible product of Bettman's mass media snake oil salesman routine.

I'll explain my comment one more time.

I never questioned Bouchard's character as in the sense of his moral makeup or general disposition. He seems like a decent bloke. I've never heard an adverse word with respect to his off ice reputation.

I intended to use the term "character" as in the on ice competitor sense. You win in the playoffs with "high character" or highly skilled players that compete to their last breath.

The Oilers have proven out over the last 4 playoffs they do not have the makeup of enough "high character players" to win themselves a spot in the Stanley Cup Finals. I don't believe we need a 5th failure in the playoffs as we already have ample evidence of the Oilers lacking "high character players." When the team's back is against the wall and they face the top teams they fold.

Our star centers, Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl run out of gas. The same could be said about Ekholm against Vegas. He was performing the defensive workload of two players.

I think it's fair game to debate Bouchard's on ice character when the going gets tough in high intensity playoff scenarios.

bobby, no!
Cool story Bro.
 

McSuper

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It said he is taking a break from hockey, not retiring. Him and Kane are resting and recovering, then will buddy up for half a season and playoffs for 1 more cup together. Won't play in the year of 2023 again.

EDIT: "I’d like to announce that I am not fully retiring, but I am taking time away from the game again this season. I cannot deny my love for the game of hockey and still feel the passion for competing at my highest level."

He's left it very open for a return.
RNH McDavid Brown
Kane Driasaitl Hyman
Foegele Toews Kane
Holloway McLeod Janmark
 

Fourier

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I'm not a "we should have got every guy that's been traded/waived" guy, but wouldn't Lyubushkin have been a clear upgrade to Ceci on Nurse's pairing? I remember he was putting up elite defensive numbers in Arizona. If we could have moved out Ceci and added Lyu we also could have gained another half million for Bouchard/UFA depth
He is 29 and he's never really played regularly beyond the third pairing for any time. I don't think he would be anything close to an upgrade on Ceci, even the injured version. More a replacement for Desharnais but in that slot he is far too expensive.
 

MessierII

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It said he is taking a break from hockey, not retiring. Him and Kane are resting and recovering, then will buddy up for half a season and playoffs for 1 more cup together. Won't play in the year of 2023 again.

EDIT: "I’d like to announce that I am not fully retiring, but I am taking time away from the game again this season. I cannot deny my love for the game of hockey and still feel the passion for competing at my highest level."

He's left it very open for a return.
This year? No. He’ll attempt a comeback next summer but at his age he’s done. He’s 100% not going to play this season.
 

Took a pill in Sbisa

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He is 29 and he's never really played regularly beyond the third pairing for any time. I don't think he would be anything close to an upgrade on Ceci, even the injured version. More a replacement for Desharnais but in that slot he is far too expensive.
Hadn't realized his minutes were that low. For some reason i thought he was top-4.
 

tiger_80

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So the conclusions that have been made here.
Mcleod not a strong center for third line.
Holloway's going to make some rookie mistakes.
We lack necessary aggressiveness outside of Nurse to protect our stars...I predict one of McDrais will have a 15 to 20 game injury this year.
Campbell has a good chance of going off the rails sometime this season.
Strong defensive teams will give us major trouble.

Yeah I'm okay with these predictions.
They will probably add some plug who can fight. Guys like that are dime a dozen.
 

Anarchism

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They will probably add some plug who can fight. Guys like that are dime a dozen.
There is always a cost associated...one way or another.
Even Bill Zito pays a price for Lorentz (who i recommended long before that) even though from his perspective he got him for free. At least Zito realized the value after his teams defeat.
Another guy I recommended maybe 6 months ago is now no longer available...or easily/cheaply available as Columbus has resigned Matt Olivier.
 

nexttothemoon

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Zach Aston-Reese wouldn't be a bad pickup for depth.... if he signs at league minimum. He's always been decent defensively and potted 10 goals in ~10 minutes per game of ice time last season.

Basically plays all forward positions (not great on faceoffs though) and is your prototypical utility forward that wouldn't look out of place in the lineup when injuries hit. He played about 1.5 minutes a game on the penalty kill in his years with the Penguins so he's useful as an extra penalty killer as well.


By no means a big time signing... but decent 4th line depth with 300+ NHL games of experience that can be called up from the AHL when needed.
 

nexttothemoon

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They've been mentioned before... but either of the Ritchie brothers would be decent at league minimum as well. They can punch faces and play a physical game when needed in the lineup and you don't have as high of a chance that Kane/Nurse risk injuries fighting.


Also odd that no team has bit on Noah Gregor or Max Comtois yet... both are young enough that they still have some upside and at this stage you'd likely get them for under a million each... both would likely be super motivated playing for their next contract,
 

tiger_80

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They've been mentioned before... but either of the Ritchie brothers would be decent at league minimum as well. They can punch faces and play a physical game when needed in the lineup and you don't have as high of a chance that Kane/Nurse risk injuries fighting.


Also odd that no team has bit on Noah Gregor or Max Comtois yet... both are young enough that they still have some upside and at this stage you'd likely get them for under a million each... both would likely be super motivated playing for their next contract,
Imagine Connor McGregor patrolling the ice for Connor McDavid.
 

McAsuno

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You overestimate Bouchard's abilities and character. Several players currently on the Oilers roster could be upgraded upon. The Oilers need to make trades. We don't have what it takes to win a championship in house.

For instance what could the Oilers get for a package of Kulak, a first rounder and Lavoie? The first rounder coming via a Bouchard trade. Then another trad involving our own first rounder plus McLeod and Bourgault. Then another trade involving players and prospects and a couple of second rounders. One of those second rounders also picked up in a Bouchard trade.

The team starts to look really good. Then we close in on the Stanley Cup.

No, he was a typical Oilers draft selection, bobby boy.

In the words of former Oiler, Andy Sutton himself in regards to the bolded:

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Did Bouchard reject an autograph from you? Waaaah.
 
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