Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals Thread 2013-2014 | Part II

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

He has nine years left on his contract...

Look at the cap(actual dollars) paid for the rest of it.

1 million for last 5 years or so and he signed it before he hit 35 so if he retires it doesn't count against cap etc...

 

[Stonewall]

AND he's 31 (important)

What happens if he bottoms out at a Chris Phillips level 5 years from now and has no reason to retire?

 

[BonkTastic]

He has nine years left on his contract...

1) he has 8 years left (not 9) on the deal, including this year (so 7 years as of this coming offseason)

2) He'll retire before he plays out all of the $1mil years on that deal... it's a cap circumvention contract. There is clearly no intent for him to see it through to the end, especially when he can probably make more than $1mil playing in Europe for those years.

... it's essentially a 4-year deal after this season.

 

[h2owned]

What happens if he bottoms out at a Chris Phillips level 5 years from now and has no reason to retire?

Then we buy him out and Buffalo gets hit with the cap-recapture penalty.

 

[Mercurial]

He has nine years left on his contract...

7 after this season. Front loaded contract makes Eugene happy though. I dont any GM worries about cap hit in 5 to 7 years time, they're likely out of a job by then.

 

[BonkTastic]

What happens if he bottoms out at a Chris Phillips level 5 years from now and has no reason to retire?

1) we still won't be anywhere close to the cap ceiling (the ceiling, by 2020, should be like ~$90 mil... it's going to get stupidly high).
2) it's only $1mil/year in actual dollars.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Bonk made a brilliant post about how acquiring him would actually be smart move and not hurt us.

Surprised you all missed it last time.

 

[Benjamin]

I changed my mind. Ehrhoff please.

 

[BonkTastic]

Bonk made a brilliant post about how acquiring him would actually be smart move and not hurt us.

Surprised you all missed it last time.

In case anyone wants to read it again, here it is:

Thing to remember about Ehrhoff:

1) if he retires before his contract expires (which is more likely than not), it's not a 35+ contract, so it's not like we'd be on the hook for his cap hit.

2) due to the "cap recapture" rule and his crazy $10mil salary last year, we're basically on the hook for ZERO cap hit if he retires before he's 35.

3) For his 35+ years, it's to his advantage to go play in Europe, as what he could get as a KHL player would probably outweigh the $1mil NHL salary hes due in his 35+ years.

There is very little long-term risk in Ehrhoff's contract, IMO, mostly due to cap-recapture rules + his rapidly declining "actual dollars".

 

[Icelevel]

curious...

when was the last trade we made with an eastern conference team?

 

[fringie]

curious...

when was the last trade we made with an eastern conference team?

Conacher for Bishop.

 

[Tampacuseforever]

curious...

when was the last trade we made with an eastern conference team?

Trade deadline last year Bishop for Conacher and a forth.

 

[Icelevel]

Conacher for Bishop.

you ******* ok, before that?

 

[WhiteLight*]

Unless he gets dealt, he'll be back in as the starter. Worst case scenario for Andy is that they form a platoon and split the starts.

You might not like it, or agree with it, but that's what's going to happen. No way do the Sens devalue a potential trade chip by making him the full-fledged backup.


He'll come back to start games, or he'll be moved... and I doubt we move him any time soon (as in, not in the next few weeks, at the very least).

yeah…. Lehner is clearly the better goalie. so no.


Sens need to trade him asap before his value goes down. Been saying it since the summer.

 

[BonkTastic]

you *******. ok, before that?

The INFAMOUS Gilroy-for-Lee deal in 2012.

Before that, Kovalev-to-Pittsburgh & Kelly-to-Boston in our "pull the plug" rebuild season.

 

[Icelevel]

The INFAMOUS Gilroy-for-Lee deal in 2012.

Before that, Kovalev-to-Pittsburgh & Kelly-to-Boston in our "pull the plug" rebuild season.

those are all pretty insignificant deals. i was trying to get at the low percentage of significant deals we've done within the east. It's much more likely that bm is talking seriously with western teams.

 

[BonkTastic]

yeah…. Lehner is clearly the better goalie. so no.

That may be true, but there is a long history of starting goalies getting their jobs back after injury despite their backup outplaying them when they were filling in. There's a big perception in hockey that starting goalies should never lose their starting spot due to injury, and that the "code" says they get their starts back when they are healthy again.

Just because you want Lehner to start more games, doesn't mean it'll happen. If Murray doesn't trade Anderson in the next week, he'll get his starting role back. You know that's the way Murray rolls.

Lehner has earned himself MORE starts with his play lately, sure. But he won't be the unquestioned starter any time soon, because that's not how old-school coaches like Maclean do things.

 

[WhiteLight*]

That may be true, but there is a long history of starting goalies getting their jobs back after injury despite their backup outplaying them when they were filling in. There's a big perception in hockey that starting goalies should never lose their starting spot due to injury, and that the "code" says they get their starts back when they are healthy again.

Just because you want Lehner to start more games, doesn't mean it'll happen. If Murray doesn't trade Anderson in the next week, he'll get his starting role back. You know that's the way Murray rolls.

Lehner has earned himself MORE starts with his play lately, sure. But he won't be the unquestioned starter any time soon, because that's not how old-school coaches like Maclean do things.

The injury is not the reason. Lehner is just better. The best players should play.


Mac has made some terrible ''old school'' decisions this season, including managing Lehner, line combos, matchups, playing style, etc. Why not just do what will help get the W?

Lehner has outplayed Anderson. So he should be the starter, simple.

 

[The Fuhr*]

What happens if he bottoms out at a Chris Phillips level 5 years from now and has no reason to retire?

He will only be making 1.0 cash and Melnyk can save money cause the cap hit eclipses the pay

 

[YNWA14]

Hey I've been advocating for Ehrhoff for a while. He would literally be perfect for this team in the short and long term.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

That may be true, but there is a long history of starting goalies getting their jobs back after injury despite their backup outplaying them when they were filling in. There's a big perception in hockey that starting goalies should never lose their starting spot due to injury, and that the "code" says they get their starts back when they are healthy again.

Just because you want Lehner to start more games, doesn't mean it'll happen. If Murray doesn't trade Anderson in the next week, he'll get his starting role back. You know that's the way Murray rolls.

Lehner has earned himself MORE starts with his play lately, sure. But he won't be the unquestioned starter any time soon, because that's not how old-school coaches like Maclean do things.

Agreed. Plus, as much as I love Lehner and think he is better than Andy now, I still say you need to keep him so that when Lehner goes through his first huge major slump you have Andy there for support both on and off-ice to show him how it's done.

The remainder of season should be bigger split between the two, Lehner has definitely proved it. He has been near flawless in almost all his games this year where last year he actually would let in weak goal a game but now looks like a brick wall.

However you don't want to end up rushing your goalie and just throw a full year's workload on him.

Ride it out for a couple more months and if Lehner is still playing lights out near deadline then you deal Andy for handsome worth or keep both and deal Andy in off-season for team desperately needing a goalie.

I also don't want to hang on to both of them tooooo long before another Vancouver episode happens here. Obviously Andy's contract no where near Lou's though.

You may also see Ottawa keep Anderson until off-season so that they can get a cheaper 3-4 year contract with Lehner.

 

[Icelevel]

I wouldn't say lehner is the better goalie. He has been so far this year, but i don't think over the course of a season he would be better than andy. yet

 

[The Fuhr*]

The injury is not reason. Lehner is just better. The best players should play.


Mac has made some terrible ''old school'' decisions this season, including managing Lehner, line combos, matchups, playing style, etc. Why not just do what will help get the W?

Lehner has outplayed Anderson. So he should be the starter, simple.

He won't be... Lehner is a RFA at seasons end... Do you think Sens want to be paying Lehner starter pay next year?

No... They will want to bridge deal it like Rask did before he got paid.

Can only do that if Lehner is a backup this year

 

[BonkTastic]

Lehner has outplayed Anderson.

This year, Agreed.

So he should be the starter, simple.

It's never that simple. You know that.

 

[Qward]

you ******* ok, before that?

2009/10 Sutton from NYI
2009/10 Matt Cullen from Carolina
08/09 Comrie and Campoli
etc