Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals/Free Agents 2017-2018

[BatherSeason]

Another good draft this year (top 5 pick probably assured) and next year and I believe we can go on another playoff run.

No playoff run happening anytime soon if half of our defence consists of Harpur/Ceci and Boro and no Karlsson.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Last ten seasons, in the playoffs five times, missed it five times. Not fun for fans. Must find some consistency.

I feel pretty confident the organisation will be finding consistency in the coming years. You may regret wanting this consistency.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

No playoff run happening anytime soon if half of our defence consists of Harpur/Ceci and Boro and no Karlsson.

Do you have proof of this, a source? a link? Until then, only speculation on your part.

 

[Sensinitis]

No playoff run happening anytime soon if half of our defence consists of Harpur/Ceci and Boro and no Karlsson.

I meant a streak of years making the playoffs. My bad, wasn't worded very well.

Also I find it convenient to your motive that you didn't mention Chabot in that list. Unless you just forgot, in which case my apologies haha.

 

[BatherSeason]

Do you have proof of this, a source? a link? Until then, only speculation on your part.

Bobby Ryan’s days in Ottawa are likely numbered – and he’s handling it like a pro

Harpur is signed to a one way deal - FACT
Boro has a one way deal FACT

Ceci will be back:

Sens might already have Plan B if Karlsson gets traded!

You need anything else?

 

[BatherSeason]

I meant a streak of years making the playoffs. My bad, wasn't worded very well.

Also I find it convenient to your motive that you didn't mention Chabot in that list.

Because Chabot is good. Why would I include him as a reason for the team to fail? He will be a permanent bright spot on a defence that includes 3 very mediocre 5-6-7 type defencemen.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Bobby Ryan’s days in Ottawa are likely numbered – and he’s handling it like a pro

Harpur is signed to a one way deal - FACT
Boro has a one way deal FACT

Ceci will be back:

Sens might already have Plan B if Karlsson gets traded!

You need anything else?

You said "not Karlsson" Do you have proof of this, a source? a link? Until then, only speculation on your part.

 

[Sensinitis]

Because Chabot is good. Why would I include him as a reason for the team to fail? He will be a permanent bright spot on a defence that includes 3 very mediocre 5-6-7 type defencemen.

I just find it silly to form an opinion based on an illusion. And you really think that Ceci is a 5 dman?

 

[BatherSeason]

And you really think that Ceci is a 5 dman?

Yes I do and I am not alone in this thinking.

 

[Sensinitis]

Yes I do and I am not alone in this thinking.

"You are not alone in this thinking" is argumentum ad populum and a very obvious fallacious argument.

What are your arguments? What is your definition of a 4 dman compared to a 5 dman?

 

[BatherSeason]

"You are not alone in this thinking" is argumentum ad populum and a very obvious fallacious argument.

What are your arguments? What is your definition of a 4 dman compared to a 5 dman?

Please refer to the Cody Ceci thread, you will find all the answers you need there, its on Page 3.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

No playoff run happening anytime soon if half of our defence consists of Harpur/Ceci and Boro and no Karlsson.

this team's 1-2 may actually be ceci and harpur.. which is worrying but whats more worrying is that I don't think boucher sees that as a problem, in fact, I think he may believe it is a strength.

 

[BatherSeason]

this team's 1-2 may actually be ceci and harpur.. which is worrying but whats more worrying is that I don't think boucher sees that as a problem, in fact, I think he may believe it is a strength.

I think Pierre Dorion actually believes the same thing.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

You said "not Karlsson" Do you have proof of this, a source? a link? Until then, only speculation on your part.

well bobby ryan spoke about it pretty candidly

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I think Pierre Dorion actually believes the same thing.

in fairness he does seem to be demanding a young top 4 guy back for karlsson (not that he would ever do anything other than just listen to offers).

 

[tony d]

Without Karlsson we'll be a lesser team for sure. Anything we get back in a trade won't eclipse his value to our team.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

"You are not alone in this thinking" is argumentum ad populum and a very obvious fallacious argument.

What are your arguments? What is your definition of a 4 dman compared to a 5 dman?

One that has a brain, one that can read a play offensively or defensively, one that can pass or shoot accurately without it exploding off his stick, one that uses his strengths such as size and speed to do more good than bad when he's on the ice, one that doesn't get hemmed down in his own end running around like a headless chicken, one that doesn't lose the puck to an opposing player that doesn't even have a stick.

The dude is a 5-6 dman that would have been scratched multiple times in his career and played 15-18min max, if his passport showed that he was from 250km outside of the Ottawa region.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Yep... things are looking better though. Since 2015 we've been drafting better and more importantly, we've had more draft picks and early rounders. It'll take another year or two for that to bear fruit, and a few more years of good drafting (and some good pro moves obviously) for sustained success.

From 2015 and on, you have Chabot/White/Chlapik/Gagne/Jaros/Wolanin/Brown/Dahlen(sad face)/Lajoie/Nurmi/Bowers(used to get Duchene)/Formenton/Batherson. That's solid AF... Another good draft this year (top 5 pick probably assured) and next year and I believe we can go on another playoff run.

Removing our best player will make us better?

 

[umma gumma]

lol at the Spezza talk in this thread. We need to bring players here that have a 'give a **** meter'. No more perimeter mongers.

Besides, he was basically run out of town by fans waiting for his every mistake, much like Redden. He will just piss off fans again the second he does a drop pass, even if its not until game 25 into the season.

 

[Langdon Alger]

meh...that's life in a league where half the teams make the playoffs.

some teams have done better but that has resulted from being bottom of the barrel last decade and drafting and retaining hall of famers throughout their careers

Oh sure, it’s all parity right? It’s not like there have been bad trades, bad draft choices, poor play on the ice or anything.

 

[JD1]

Oh sure, it’s all parity right? It’s not like there have been bad trades, bad draft choices, poor play on the ice or anything.

there's all kinds of factors Dave including what you've mentioned but the reality is every team has bad draft choices, trades and poor play. 10 years. that's 70 draft picks. I think a team with 12 or 13 homegrown products is considered wildly successful?

Take away Pittsburgh, Washington, Chicago, LA and Boston. What's left? How many of what's left made the playoffs more frequently?

this isn't the 80s....8 of 16 in our conference make it. all else being equal the odds are 50%. but it's not equal. one team has Crosby and Malkin. Another team has Ovechkin. That tilts the odds for them. only 6 of 14 left make it.

 

[Alex1234]

well bobby ryan spoke about it pretty candidly

Boom

 

[Sensinitis]

Removing our best player will make us better?

Yep, that's exactly what I said. Great job summarizing my post. I couldn't have done it better myself. Truly, bravo.

One that has a brain, one that can read a play offensively or defensively, one that can pass or shoot accurately without it exploding off his stick, one that uses his strengths such as size and speed to do more good than bad when he's on the ice, one that doesn't get hemmed down in his own end running around like a headless chicken, one that doesn't lose the puck to an opposing player that doesn't even have a stick.

The dude is a 5-6 dman that would have been scratched multiple times in his career and played 15-18min max, if his passport showed that he was from 250km outside of the Ottawa region.

You're zeroing in on too many little details, while not giving him credit for a bunch of other small things he does well. I don't think that's fair. It just shows you don't like the player. That's fine and fair. But to not go through a fair analysis of him isn't, imo.

Yes, he doesn't have the best IQ or vision. Yes, the accuracy of his shot hasn't improved much since he entered the league. No, he doesn't always get hemmed in his zone. No, it isn't always his fault if he IS hemmed in his zone. I'd say he uses his size and speed in an average manner. Doesn't use it the best way he can, like Karlsson for example. But not everyone is King Karl. He still uses his size and speed well enough to push forwards off the puck, to lead rushes out of his zone. Admittedly, those rushes often finish by dump-ins or neutral zone play and not in an offensive zone chance, but that's when expectations should come into play. Just the fact that he can singlehandedly get the puck out of the zone, multiple times a game, is a seriously underselled part of his game.

Now, I just treated some of the criticism you stated. Know that overall I think he's a 4 dman right now. So it's not like our opinions are that different. I think that right now if he had a dman who can carry a 2nd pair with him (like we thought Phaneuf was the first few months he was here, or in the mold of Bouwmeester/Brodin/Hjalmarsson/Dekeyser/etc.) he would look much better. He looks worse than he is because he is paired with the 5-6 dmen that you mention. He isn't one himself. Notice that when he's with Chabot those two look pretty good together, though with some gaffes which are to be expected.

If he was smarter, more aware, had more vision, used his shot better and his assets better like you seem to expect of him, he would be a #1-2 dman lol... So imo it's really unfair to use hyperbole and say that he's a 5-6 dman because he's not perfect in those things. Even Karlsson isn't perfect in his decision making and he's still the best dman in the league bar-none. That's just my (long) opinion on Ceci. It's fine if you have another one. Just trying to see if I can reason with you a bit.

 

[topshelf15]

Trading EK isnt the issue for me,its what we get back for him that will be....Picks and magic beans wont move the needle,we need at least 2 good young NHL calibre players and 2 bluechip prospects back...We get that and we should be ok ......We dont ,and yep we will be handing over lottery pick over to COL

 

[TheBradyBunch]

True.