Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals 2019-20 Part II

[CREW99AW]

I don’t think it’s the comments, it’s the context. The kid was dropped from the league completely after never having made it. It’s also doubly a shame when the skill seems to be there, but not the determination or character.

Not a single team wanted him when they could have picked him up for free.

That’s not a position for a kid to have any kind of attitude, that’s reality gut punch. It’s a time to shut your mouth and hit the grind stone kind of moment. While it may be a different response from most people, it’s just not impressive given the exactly zero he has shown to date.

His first regular season game in 5/6 months. He's happy to be back playing pro hockey again. I do not have a problem with it. As I said,I prefer honest enthusiasm to cookie cutter answers.

I am much more concerned with whether JHS has been humbled enough by passing through waivers to finally buy into what Trotz has been preaching: play defensively responsible.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

people change and mature aswell. We have seen it first hand in guys like Zibby and Duclair

Someone could take a flyer on him and he doesn't look back and has an excellent nHL career

Zibby? What's the story about Zibby?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

gonna be dope with out Stutzle -galchenyuk 1-2 punch down the middle next year just saying byyye

 

[Sweatred]

Trade Colin White for a defensively minded young DMAN and commit to Pager as our 3C at $5x5.

 

[guyzeur]

Trade Colin White for a defensively minded young DMAN and commit to Pager as our 3C at $5x5.

But according to you White has negative (or little) value with his contract. Do you think GMs are that stupid?

 

[Sweatred]

But according to you White has negative (or little) value with his contract. Do you think GMs are this stupid?

Well ... enough people argue for White that there has to be some value there. More importantly we are tip toeing around the Pager issue mostly because we have committed to White at $4.75 to be the 40-50 pts 3rd Line Center. IMO We are a better team with Pager at 3C than White over the next 5 years so why not just give Pager White’s $5 and use White to boost up the top 6 dman. Lots of room for Brown, Norris, Byfield, Stutzle, or CT to fill out the other C positions.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Or we could try and keep both Pageau and White...

 

[Sweatred]

Or we could try and keep both Pageau and White...

Absolutely - we are well stocked with 3C type centers. I’d be open to moving any of them for a 22 year old Mark Methot type player.

 

[GCK]

Well ... enough people argue for White that there has to be some value there. More importantly we are tip toeing around the Pager issue mostly because we have committed to White at $4.75 to be the 40-50 pts 3rd Line Center. IMO We are a better team with Pager at 3C than White over the next 5 years so why not just give Pager White’s $5 and use White to boost up the top 6 dman. Lots of room for Brown, Norris, Byfield, Stutzle, or CT to fill out the other C positions.

Pageau is not worth a 5 x 5.

 

[Sweatred]

Pageau is not worth a 5 x 5.

He is a defensive minded 3C who is top 15ish in the league in goals.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Absolutely - we are well stocked with 3C type centers. I’d be open to moving any of them for a 22 year old Mark Methot type player.

Just remember that the expansion draft is set for next year. It would suck to trade for a defenseman only to lose a good one in the expansion draft.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Pageau is not worth a 5 x 5.

I would argue that’s exactly what he’s worth.

 

[HSF]

He is a defensive minded 3C who is top 15ish in the league in goals.

one season doesn't make a career

don't make the Smith mistake

 

[Sweatred]

one season doesn't make a career

don't make the Smith mistake

sure - but looking at what CT, CW, AA all make it’s not a stretch to add $1-2 million on top of those guys. That doesn’t mean we have to pay it ... but it is what the market would probably pay him.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Guys who are pending UFAs are with a million or two more. That’s just the nature of the game.

 

[HSF]

Guys who are pending UFAs are with a million or two more. That’s just the nature of the game.

yup and someone else can pay it

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

yup and someone else can pay it

Tough to say what’s better for Ottawa. I honestly still don’t know.
Definitely going to be interesting to see what happens with Pageau.

 

[GCK]

sure - but looking at what CT, CW, AA all make it’s not a stretch to add $1-2 million on top of those guys. That doesn’t mean we have to pay it ... but it is what the market would probably pay him.

Every UFA in demand is overpaid in July. If the market gives him 5 x 5 he will be overpaid.

 

[Sweatred]

Every UFA in demand is overpaid in July. If the market gives him 5 x 5 he will be overpaid.

I agree. If he goes to UFA I think he gets 5-6.25 depending on term.

 

[HSF]

no way in hell is anyone offering 6+mill for pageau

 

[LudwigVonKarlsson]

no way in hell is anyone offering 6+mill for pageau

Worse players have gotten more than that in recent years, its entirely possible that he does get upwards of 6M in free agency if a team is desperate enough.

 

[GCK]

Worse players have gotten more than that in recent years, its entirely possible that he does get upwards of 6M in free agency if a team is desperate enough.

Teams are getting smarter about these types of deals. Fewer and fewer mistakes every year.

 

[Sweatred]

Teams are getting smarter about these types of deals. Fewer and fewer mistakes every year.

For sure. If the Sens offer Pager $4.5 x 4 at the TDL I don’t think he takes it which pushes him out the door.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

no way in hell is anyone offering 6+mill for pageau

I’m not so sure. Look what Bozak got.

 

[HSF]

I’m not so sure. Look what Bozak got.

his cap hit is 5mill for 3 years not 6mil... Not bad for a short term deal