Speculation: Trade Rumors Part X : Fowlers and Lindholms and Vatanens, Oh My

[The Duck Knight]

It would take Lindholm + Ritchie + 1st. Even then I don't see how we can afford to pay Subban. His salary the next 4 years is 11m/11m/10m/10m. There's no way that's working as long as we're a budget team.

 

[mytduxfan*]

Not a fan of Subban's defensive game. Dynamic player going forward and definitely elite in a number of areas, but he struggles against high end opposition and is caught out of position a lot.

 

[dracom]

You guys, I learned something from the main trade boards. Schultz is better than Fowler and Andersen is not a starting goalie. CRAZY, how did we not know this!?

 

[duxfan1101]

You guys, I learned something from the main trade boards. Schultz is better than Fowler and Andersen is not a starting goalie. CRAZY, how did we not know this!?

I think the thing we've been doing wrong is that we are actually watching the games with our eyes. We SHOULD be only looking at statistics online after the games have been played.

 

[caliamad]

Subban isn't getting traded unless he publicly requests one or he acts like a bigger ass clown than he already is.

I like the guy, he's seem funny. But that contact and the assets you'd have to give up to get him (I agree it would take a Lindholm + Rakell/Richie) just doesn't make sense for us.

Even RNH is really a pipe dream. I'm sure murray looks at his contract and knows that wouldn't work for us. I could easily see Rakell say that's a comparable on my own team. Can you make an argument than RNH is that much better than Rakell at this point?

 

[duari91]

Am I the only one who thinks that BM wont make a major trade during the deadline?

I think the success of Perron has probably vindicated BM of the necessity to go after a big forward.

Just my opinion, but it seems like that's the way BM has operated in the past.

 

[Fighter]

You guys, I learned something from the main trade boards. Schultz is better than Fowler and Andersen is not a starting goalie. CRAZY, how did we not know this!?

PLEASE, tell me nobody has said this in the last... five years?

 

[Duck Off]

Am I the only one who thinks that BM wont make a major trade during the deadline?

I think the success of Perron has probably vindicated BM of the necessity to go after a big forward.

Just my opinion, but it seems like that's the way BM has operated in the past.

No, you're not alone. I think the pieces that would have to be moved are too important to the team. I don't see Andersen moved until the off-season. Vatanen is the other guy that's probably gone, and unless they just really want Shea in the lineup this year, I don't see Vatanen moved until the off-season either. I do think Murray will want to add a fairly significant piece though, which is why I'm not ruling out the rental market, despite the fact that he generally never pays much for one. I could see him trading a few significant pieces for a rental because he knows he can get some of them back in the off-season by moving Andersen and/or Vatanen.

edit: Forgot to mention that I don't think it's necessarily related to Perron. Obviously it helps because he's greatly helped our lack of a finisher. However, I think it's more that Murray won't want to part with the necessary pieces because it could affect the team's chemistry. This, along with his unwillingness to pay a premium for rentals, makes me think it could be a fairly slow deadline for us. I could see us adding some tweener top 6 guy like Boyes.

 

[Opak]

PLEASE, tell me nobody has said this in the last... five years?

You'd better believe it, because I saw that too. There was a chart with some advanced stats, it's now basically been confirmed.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Subban isn't getting traded unless he publicly requests one or he acts like a bigger ass clown than he already is.

I like the guy, he's seem funny. But that contact and the assets you'd have to give up to get him (I agree it would take a Lindholm + Rakell/Richie) just doesn't make sense for us.

Even RNH is really a pipe dream. I'm sure murray looks at his contract and knows that wouldn't work for us. I could easily see Rakell say that's a comparable on my own team. Can you make an argument than RNH is that much better than Rakell at this point?

You can't seriously believe Rakell is going to want $6M AAV, can you?

 

[Opak]

You can't seriously believe Rakell is going to want $6M AAV, can you?

Yeah, I don't buy that either. Ricky had 30 points last season and is on pace for 47 points this year. He'll likely either get a Toffoli-esque bridge deal (2 years, $3.25m AAV) or $4.5+ million on a long-term deal.

 

[91Fedorov]

Am I the only one who thinks that BM wont make a major trade during the deadline?

I think the success of Perron has probably vindicated BM of the necessity to go after a big forward.

Just my opinion, but it seems like that's the way BM has operated in the past.

I agree with you. But I do think that, if he can find the right piece and price, he may make a move for a defensively responsible #3 center. Letting Rakell play the wing. It's not a need, but It could make us harder to play against down the middle for the post season.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Yeah, I don't buy that either. Ricky had 30 points last season and is on pace for 47 points this year. He'll likely either get a Toffoli-esque bridge deal (2 years, $3.25m AAV) or $4.5+ million on a long-term deal.

That's my thought. It's nice that he is showing progress but he's hardly in the $6M league yet.

 

[mytduxfan*]

Yeah, I don't buy that either. Ricky had 30 points last season and is on pace for 47 points this year. He'll likely either get a Toffoli-esque bridge deal (2 years, $3.25m AAV) or $4.5+ million on a long-term deal.

I go with the former on that. I can see BM wanting to reduce the risk. It's only 1 season for Rakell. It could be a breakout year or it could just be a one off.

The good thing going for Rakell is that his S% isn't ridiculously inflated. Speaking of which, good thing we passed on Beleskey. His 15% S% has come back down to a normal level and that contract don't look so pretty.

 

[gilfaizon]

I go with the former on that. I can see BM wanting to reduce the risk. It's only 1 season for Rakell. It could be a breakout year or it could just be a one off.

I think anybody who sees Rakell play knows this won't be a one off. If anything, he probably should have more points than his totals suggest. This guy is trending in the right direction and I am thrilled about his future.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Am I the only one who thinks that BM wont make a major trade during the deadline?

I think the success of Perron has probably vindicated BM of the necessity to go after a big forward.

Just my opinion, but it seems like that's the way BM has operated in the past.

I think it's definitely opened up the bargain bin option. He's definitely in a position now where there isn't as much or any desperation to do something. Which could be either a good or bad thing.

 

[ChaseANA]

Rakell has reminded me of Gaudreau a bit this season. I would really like to lock him up but would have a hard time going over 4.5M AAV.

 

[airforceones25]

Versteeg's name just popped up. This screams bargain bin Bob too me. Can be had for cheap most likely and fills a hole. Meh, not sexy but just seems like a BM kind of move.

 

[duxfan1101]

Versteeg's name just popped up. This screams bargain bin Bob too me. Can be had for cheap most likely and fills a hole. Meh, not sexy but just seems like a BM kind of move.

Was just thinking about Versteeg. Wouldn't mind him with Perron & Getz.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Versteeg's name just popped up. This screams bargain bin Bob too me. Can be had for cheap most likely and fills a hole. Meh, not sexy but just seems like a BM kind of move.

He'd probably come cheap, but not sure he's Murray's type. Murray always seems to look at guys who are undervalued and hopes they bounce back, whereas Versteeg's value is at its highest in years and there's a better chance his play will regress. Plus he's a questionable fit and a RH shot to boot. Wouldn't be mad but I hope it's someone else.

 

[Exit Dose]

Am I the only one who thinks that BM wont make a major trade during the deadline?

I think the success of Perron has probably vindicated BM of the necessity to go after a big forward.

Just my opinion, but it seems like that's the way BM has operated in the past.

He tried to trade for Kesler, but their ownership killed it at the last minute. He also traded for Wiz, Lubo, and Beauch at the deadline. Murray doesn't make moves just to make moves. A hockey trade has to be there for him to make a major trade.

 

[Papaspud]

http://nesn.com/2016/02/nhl-trade-rumors-blackhawks-aggressively-pursuing-first-line-left-wing/


Competition going the rental route

 

[darkwingduck]

http://nesn.com/2016/02/nhl-trade-rumors-blackhawks-aggressively-pursuing-first-line-left-wing/


Competition going the rental route

Must be nice to not have to draft in the first round and get players like panarin to just sign with you. Le sigh.

 

[Sojourn]

Must be nice to not have to draft in the first round and get players like panarin to just sign with you. Le sigh.

Win a couple of Cups, and Anaheim may get the same benefit.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

If I'm not mistaken, I think the Hawks lucked into a Russian connection from a current or former Hawk. Not that the two cups hurt any.