glad ur not a gm
So ...
1. We have sooo many 3rd and 4th liners, there is something going on. Armia's gone? Lehkonen?
2. Bergevin is willing to let go picks 1,2,3 next year
3. We need a top 6 forward talent and/or top 4 D and we know Bergevin is trying to get one
I'm expecting something big from Bergevin right after Aho sign with the canes. A trade with vegas? Marchessault...Tuch... and a part of Clarkson's salary
If not ... Pacioretty got traded in september, remember?
We need to be patient
2008- Kristo
2009-Leblanc
2010-Tinordi
2011-Beaulieu
2012-Galchenyuk
2013-McCarron
2014-Sherbak
2015-Juulsen
I know it's easy to say in hindsight.. but it also proves that that value because 4X1st vs proven talent at 21 yr old is not that far off.
And when you get a player in the range of 11M$, it should help you in the standings.. so the 1st are usually in the bottom 10-12.
I'd do no question for Aho.. Not sure about Laine.. him going MIA for months last season is worrisome but he also score 80 goals in 2 season at the age of 20 yr old. I think he still have the potential to score over 50... So I wouldn't be overly mad if we did.
I think one of Lehkonen, Armia or Byron - along with a pick or a prospect - is gonna get traded for a LHD now that we added Cousins.
Lehkonen seems untouchable in MB mind so my guess is Byron. Guy is scoring at a 20 goals pace for three season now and he is signed cheap.
One guy I would target is Brodie in Calgary. Maybe CGY want to bring him back? Obviously Brodie hold more value than Byron, even though he is UFA at the end of the year.
Maybe we can take Neal salary as well in exchange, solving their cap issues. They need to clear room for Bennett and Tkachuk.
How would you feel about:
Byron, 4th round pick for Brodie, Neal and a 3rd round pick?
2008- Kristo
2009-Leblanc
2010-Tinordi
2011-Beaulieu
2012-Galchenyuk
2013-McCarron
2014-Sherbak
2015-Juulsen
I know it's easy to say in hindsight.. but it also proves that that value because 4X1st vs proven talent at 21 yr old is not that far off.
And when you get a player in the range of 11M$, it should help you in the standings.. so the 1st are usually in the bottom 10-12.
I'd do no question for Aho.. Not sure about Laine.. him going MIA for months last season is worrisome but he also score 80 goals in 2 season at the age of 20 yr old. I think he still have the potential to score over 50... So I wouldn't be overly mad if we did.
I think the point is with a ppg 21/22 year old we wouldn't be picking 9th and third overall. And if we did.... We wouldn't give up or pick that year since it's 4 firsts in 5 years.2016- Sergachev (9 OV)
2017- Poehling (25 OV)
2018- Kotkaniemi (3 OV)
2019- Caufield (15 OV)
I know we don't know enough about them, but your list doesn't give real justice for the reality right now. We have to think about potential. All these picks had way more potential when we drafted them as of right now (except maybe Juulsen). Maybe Poehling will turn out to be the next McCarron (doubt it), but if you trade him right now, you could receive a good player/return. Same for the 3 others I mention.
Would you give these 4 players VS Marner or Aho? Some would, some wouldn't I guess, but it's a better comparison than old picks that we know how they turned out.
PS: Kristo was a 2nd rnd pick
I think one of Lehkonen, Armia or Byron - along with a pick or a prospect - is gonna get traded for a LHD now that we added Cousins.
Lehkonen seems untouchable in MB mind so my guess is Byron. Guy is scoring at a 20 goals pace for three season now and he is signed cheap.
One guy I would target is Brodie in Calgary. Maybe CGY want to bring him back? Obviously Brodie hold more value than Byron, even though he is UFA at the end of the year.
Maybe we can take Neal salary as well in exchange, solving their cap issues. They need to clear room for Bennett and Tkachuk.
How would you feel about:
Byron, 4th round pick for Brodie, Neal and a 3rd round pick?
He better not be untouchable, i honestly dont see the upside with lehks but thats just me.
2016- Sergachev (9 OV)
2017- Poehling (25 OV)
2018- Kotkaniemi (3 OV)
2019- Caufield (15 OV)
I know we don't know enough about them, but your list doesn't give real justice for the reality right now. We have to think about potential. All these picks had way more potential when we drafted them as of right now (except maybe Juulsen). Maybe Poehling will turn out to be the next McCarron (doubt it), but if you trade him right now, you could receive a good player/return. Same for the 3 others I mention.
Would you give these 4 players VS Marner or Aho? Some would, some wouldn't I guess, but it's a better comparison than old picks that we know how they turned out.
PS: Kristo was a 2nd rnd pick
That and I would still trade all these 1st round picks for a MacKinnon, a Barkov, a Matthews, a McDavid, a Eichel...I think the point is with a ppg 21/22 year old we wouldn't be picking 9th and third overall. And if we did.... We wouldn't give up or pick that year since it's 4 firsts in 5 years.
I think the point is with a ppg 21/22 year old we wouldn't be picking 9th and third overall. And if we did.... We wouldn't give up or pick that year since it's 4 firsts in 5 years.
He better not be untouchable, i honestly dont see the upside with lehks but thats just me.
That and I would still trade all these 1st round picks for a MacKinnon, a Barkov, a Matthews, a McDavid, a Eichel...
We are talking about an established star in his prime. What will be the impact of a 1st round pick in 4 years from now? It would be affecting us in approximately 8 years... What is the fascination with our fanbase that enjoy mediocrity and statu quo. I don't want transition for the next decade I want us to build a contender with our younger core and prospects that we have.
Aho, Marner definately. Laine I agree not.. He is a poacher.Well, no one is saying no to one of these guys, but I don't think Aho, Marner, Laine are up there with them (probably with Eichel, but not the others)
How much is Kreider for one season worth? Kreider would be a great fit here and he's obviously a better player than Byron, but he's UFA next summer, which reduces his value. How about if Habs retain $1M on Byron's contract for next season? NYR have Byron for $2.4M AAV for one season in exchange for one season of Kreider. The following season Kreider is an UFA and NYR have Byron at $3.4 for another three seasons.Back to Kreider.
I appreciate the responses... looking for more feedback.
Another poster mentioned Byron but I don't see how that's in Gorton's long term plans or any salary coming back.
How much is Kreider for one season worth? Kreider would be a great fit here and he's obviously a better player than Byron, but he's UFA next summer, which reduces his value. How about if Habs retain $1M on Byron's contract for next season? NYR have Byron for $2.4M AAV for one season in exchange for one season of Kreider. The following season Kreider is an UFA and NYR have Byron at $3.4 for another three seasons.
I'm not sure either.I don't think you can retain for just 1 season.. maybe I'm wrong?
How much is Kreider for one season worth? Kreider would be a great fit here and he's obviously a better player than Byron, but he's UFA next summer, which reduces his value. How about if Habs retain $1M on Byron's contract for next season? NYR have Byron for $2.4M AAV for one season in exchange for one season of Kreider. The following season Kreider is an UFA and NYR have Byron at $3.4 for another three seasons.
Anyway, I only put these players because I don't think comparing with the 1st in 2008 to 2015 give justice to what a 1st is worth in the short term (value-wise).
Here are our last 4 1st round picks (including the one we traded for):
Caufield
Kotkaniemi
Suzuki
Poehling
There is absolutely no way I give up these four guys for the "privilege" of paying Laine $10-$11M. Caufield alone might score as well as Laine. And any one of the other three could easily be a better overall player than Laine.