Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread - The We're not done quite yet Edition

[CanadianODST]

Apparently, we're in on Skinner, I'd take him if they could retain.

 

[Canadian_Brewtality]

Apparently, we're in on Skinner, I'd take him if they could retain.

Was that an E3 or E4?

 

[EveryDay]

Emelin for Roussel + Nemeth/Jokipakka

 

[Rscorpio]

Apparently, we're in on Skinner, I'd take him if they could retain.

do you have any proof of this? Link????

 

[Zorba]

do you have any proof of this? Link????

It's eklund, so it's obviously true

 

[Sterling Archer]

It's eklund, so it's obviously true

too bad. I wouldn't have minded Skinner, as long as they ate some cap. i.e. Emelin for Skinner are equal salaries type deal.

After Chucky deal, we'll have about $3M in space.

 

[DenverHabsFan]

http://thehockeypress.sportsblog.co...rade--jeff-skinner-to-montreal-canadiens.html

Geez, their proposal for Skinner is even less generous than what you see on this board.

 

[Saundies]

It's eklund, so it's obviously true

Man we're obviously going to trade Eller or DD to Washington for D help because we need more D okay? Eklund is a genius and Bobby Mac and crew are just posers...

 

[LaP]

http://thehockeypress.sportsblog.co...rade--jeff-skinner-to-montreal-canadiens.html

Geez, their proposal for Skinner is even less generous than what you see on this board.

If Skinner is traded people will be surprised by how low his value is if Carolina doesn't retain a lot like Boston did with Lucic.

It's a salary cap era. No matter how good a player is if he's not good enough for his contract his value is greatly depreciated.

I don't dislike Skinner but at close to 6 millions cap hit for the next 4 years with his concussion history he doesn't have much value. If Carolina wants a good return they will need to retain close to 2 millions or accept another bad long term contract in return.

 

[The Nightman]

do you have any proof of this? Link????

It's made up by some guy looking for twitter followers.

 

[shawdowmaker]

Not sure if serious..

My point is MB has options. Trade DD with a prospect for a solid player.

Andrigetto + DD + Emelin for one top guy. Ladd, Yakupov do something for crying out loud.

You have to give in order to get.

 

[Rockomax]

My point is MB has options. Trade DD with a prospect for a solid player.

Andrigetto + DD + Emelin for one top guy. Ladd, Yakupov do something for crying out loud.

You have to give in order to get.

Agreed

 

[Vi Nc E x13x]

Agreed

lol 3 players not worth much is giving

 

[Captain Mountain]

If Skinner is traded people will be surprised by how low his value is if Carolina doesn't retain a lot like Boston did with Lucic.

It's a salary cap era. No matter how good a player is if he's not good enough for his contract his value is greatly depreciated.

I don't dislike Skinner but at close to 6 millions cap hit for the next 4 years with his concussion history he doesn't have much value. If Carolina wants a good return they will need to retain close to 2 millions or accept another bad long term contract in return.

He also has a lot of warning signs on the statistical side and is coming off a bad year. He doesn't have a ton of trade value ATM.

Don't think Montreal should have interest in him to be honest.

 

[Ezpz]

http://thehockeypress.sportsblog.co...rade--jeff-skinner-to-montreal-canadiens.html

Geez, their proposal for Skinner is even less generous than what you see on this board.

So we take on more cap space than we have and move nothing out?

 

[HabsForHire]

Yes but would you trade McCarron? TO will want a big name.

No mac or sherby, theres plenty of quality in there to keep our 2 best prospects.

 

[bsl]

Must be very fast? Jamie Benn is far from being very fast. And yet...
Others come to mind. Mark Stone is not a pretty skater by any means. In fact, there are quite a few successful scoring wingers that aren't very fast.

Fair enough. But in general to be a good winger you need to move your ass from the red line in. It's the position that calls for super bursts of big speed.

Cycling is different, but even there, you need to be fast as hell in short bursts to beat your coverage and get your shot.

I am talking about natural goal scorers by the way, not grinders.

 

[LaP]

He also has a lot of warning signs on the statistical side and is coming off a bad year. He doesn't have a ton of trade value ATM.

Don't think Montreal should have interest in him to be honest.

Yeah the best we can say is that he is inconsistent.

People evaluate him based on his 2 good seasons and his half good season. But let's not forget he had 1 bad one and an average one too (average for his contract).

2010-11 82 31 32 63 3
2011-12 64 20 24 44 -8
2012-13 42 13 11 24 -21
2013-14 71 33 21 54 -14
2014-15 77 18 13 31 -24

He was awesome the first season. But since then nothing to write home about. In the last 4 years one 30+ goals season and three 20- goals seasons. Only one 50+ season.

Let's take his four last years over 82 games (not realistic in his case because of injuries but let's do it anyway)

2011-12 82GP 26G 56P
2012-13 82GP 25G 47P
2013-14 82GP 38G 62P
2014-15 82GP 19G 33P

For 5.75 millions cap hit you got to do better than that specially if you are not big, not physical and not very good defensively. I mean the guy blocked 12 tiny shots last season and gave 47 hits ... for those interested DD blocked 49 shots and gave 43 hits.

Looks a lot like Gionta to me but not as good defensively. I agree with you i'm personally not giving 5.75 millions for that + a good return for it.

 

[FireBurningBin]

I don't see how Skinner will command much value in a trade at this point for Carolina after his last season and concussion stuff. I think they'd be better to keep him if they have confidence in him recovering and then considering trading him or keeping him.

Trading him now suggests that you don't have much faith in him recovering I think, because I can't see too many teams breaking the bank on him.

 

[EGarro]

What Montreal should expect from Zack Kassian

Here is my take on the acquisition of Zack Kassian:

http://alongtheboards.com/2015/07/montreal-expect-zack-kassian/

 

[CapSpace]

http://thehockeypress.sportsblog.co...rade--jeff-skinner-to-montreal-canadiens.html

Geez, their proposal for Skinner is even less generous than what you see on this board.

Even BargainBin would offer more than this.

But seriously, Canes will have to retain or sell very low and take some salary back for Skinner. I'd give a try if they want to retain 25% and take DD.

 

[Sorinth]

He also has a lot of warning signs on the statistical side and is coming off a bad year. He doesn't have a ton of trade value ATM.

Don't think Montreal should have interest in him to be honest.

His bad year is mostly PP related. Compared to the year before when he put up 54 points the difference is pretty much going from 20 points on the PP to 7.

At nearly 6m, it's still not a great deal for a 50+ point player, but it at least makes it interesting if say DD is part of the deal so we only take on 2.5m extra.

 

[Milhouse40]

http://thehockeypress.sportsblog.co...rade--jeff-skinner-to-montreal-canadiens.html

Geez, their proposal for Skinner is even less generous than what you see on this board.

And i think Naatinen was traded to Buffalo for Mitchell.

As for Skinner, only if either Desharnais or Emelin....or both...goes the other way.
I wouldn't mind if his contract was 2 years but 4 years is a long one so they gotta take some contract off our hands too.

 

[The Great Weal]

Tampa,Pittsburgh,New York Rangers,Washington are teams that I'm afraid of playing in the Playoffs. We need another top 6 winger to make us the better team. I think our D-core is better than these guys (except maybe the Rangers). But with another top 6 winger I think we would be better than the Rangers.

There is until the deadline to get this winger. To win the cup we need a #1 C like Eric Staal, unless Galchenyuk breaks out.

 

[Habsawce]

Tampa,Pittsburgh,New York Rangers,Washington are teams that I'm afraid of playing in the Playoffs. We need another top 6 winger to make us the better team. I think our D-core is better than these guys (except maybe the Rangers). But with another top 6 winger I think we would be better than the Rangers.

There is until the deadline to get this winger. To win the cup we need a #1 C like Eric Staal, unless Galchenyuk breaks out.

There's no doubt MTL has the best defense corps and goaltender in the East. Not in my eyes anyway. The question is scoring, you're right. Personally I think the best centres int he league are drafted and developed and I would prefer them to acquire a top 6 LW and move Galchenyuk to the middle of the ice. That would be enough to compete realistically.