Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread - The "Quick get Boston on the line." Edition

[HabsDieHard*]

He's turning 34 next season. How many 34 year olds do you know that can be relied on to generate consistent offence?

Sharp is not the answer. Habs are much better off spending more for someone younger and better.

We had this discussion earlier.

There were 8 guys in the top 60 scoring in the NHL this year who were 34 or older.

I would imagine if we extended that number to 180 (which is the number of top 6 forwards theoretically) that number would go up quite a bit.

 

[vokiel]

Just buyout PAP go after Williams. I don't see much more realistic options out there.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

Just buyout PAP go after Williams. I don't see much more realistic options out there.

Parenteau is a year and a half younger than Williams and has played with a hell of a lot worse players this last season than Williams did.

And then whatever it takes to acquire Williams as a free agent, you need to add 1.333 million to it for the next 2 years.

So if Williams signed for 2 years and 8 million...with the Parenteau buy out that's a 5.3333 obligation.

Although when you consider the trail from Cole to Ryder to Briere to Parenteau that might just be right up Bergevins' alley.

 

[realtalk11]

lol boston and their ***** fans. Quite happy they are on a stupidity rampage right now.

Get bergeron bergy plz.

Work your bargainbin magic

 

[Zorba]

Fun fact. Bergevin has acquired almost 20 players since he has come to Montreal and they have combined for just around 80 goals. That's just down right bad player acquisition. Vrbata himself scored 31

 

[blarneylad]

Fun fact. Bergevin has acquired almost 20 players since he has come to Montreal and they have combined for just around 80 goals. That's just down right bad player acquisition. Vrbata himself scored 31

He offered Vrbata a contract but Vrbata chose Vancouver.

You cant have them all, as it takes two to tango.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

He offered Vrbata a contract but Vrbata chose Vancouver.

You cant have them all, as it takes two to tango.

If Bergevin had signed Vrbata he would get all sorts of praise for the shrewd move he made.

His job as GM is to improve the team.

When he fails to do so, he deserves the criticism...just like when he succeeds at improving he deserves praise.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

It seems like a safe assumption that the price of Sharp went down from 1st + prospect + top-6 forward. Significantly down. Sadly, we don't even have a 2nd to try making a deal tomorrow.

 

[Zorba]

He offered Vrbata a contract but Vrbata chose Vancouver.

You cant have them all, as it takes two to tango.

He's brought in 80 goals in almost 4 seasons. People can call me a whined. Stats don't lie. His riding Prices coat tails

 

[vokiel]

I'd still do DSP for a 2nd and a 4th.

 

[Nynja*]

lol boston and their ***** fans. Quite happy they are on a stupidity rampage right now.

Get bergeron bergy plz.

Work your bargainbin magic

Wont happen, heres all the trades involving players:
Edmonton - NY Islanders
Colorado - Buffalo
Los Angeles - Boston
Calgary - Boston
Buffalo - Ottawa
Colorado - Boston

With the exception of Buffalo - Ottawa, which really worked out to the benefit of both teams (Buffalo traded a late first, needed both players...Ottawa had 3 goalies signed, one had to go), all these trades were east/west. Teams dont want to trade their players to the same conference, let alone the same division.

If Bergevin had signed Vrbata he would get all sorts of praise for the shrewd move he made.

His job as GM is to improve the team.

When he fails to do so, he deserves the criticism...just like when he succeeds at improving he deserves praise.

So youre blaming MB because he didnt sign Vrbata? Do you know what the potential terms were? What if he offered the same contract Van did, but Vrbata was offered to play with the Sedins?

Thats not MB's fault.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

I'd still do DSP for a 2nd and a 4th.

Is that a joke?

I doubt a team would even give up a 4th round pick for Lil Puumba

 

[realtalk11]

Wont happen, heres all the trades involving players:
Edmonton - NY Islanders
Colorado - Buffalo
Los Angeles - Boston
Calgary - Boston
Buffalo - Ottawa
Colorado - Boston

With the exception of Buffalo - Ottawa, which really worked out to the benefit of both teams (Buffalo traded a late first, needed both players...Ottawa had 3 goalies signed, one had to go), all these trades were east/west. Teams dont want to trade their players to the same conference, let alone the same division.

Yeah I wasn'T serious tho but Sweeney looks like an idiot so

 

[Zorba]

I'd still do DSP for a 2nd and a 4th.

In what world is DSP worth that. You may have to give them a pick just to take him

 

[Zorba]

Wont happen, heres all the trades involving players:
Edmonton - NY Islanders
Colorado - Buffalo
Los Angeles - Boston
Calgary - Boston
Buffalo - Ottawa
Colorado - Boston

With the exception of Buffalo - Ottawa, which really worked out to the benefit of both teams (Buffalo traded a late first, needed both players...Ottawa had 3 goalies signed, one had to go), all these trades were east/west. Teams dont want to trade their players to the same conference, let alone the same division.



So youre blaming MB because he didnt sign Vrbata? Do you know what the potential terms were? What if he offered the same contract Van did, but Vrbata was offered to play with the Sedins?

Thats not MB's fault.

Sweeten the pot. More term more money. Forgot goal scorers are not his forte. Maybe he had poor character

 

[Nynja*]

Sweeten the pot. More term more money. Forgot goal scorers are not his forte. Maybe he had poor character

Yeah, except you know, this thing called the Salary Cap, something were already flirting with and we havent signed Chucky.

I know this is last year, but we were flirting with the cap as is then too.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

So youre blaming MB because he didnt sign Vrbata? Do you know what the potential terms were? What if he offered the same contract Van did, but Vrbata was offered to play with the Sedins?

Thats not MB's fault.

Once again, and with clarity:

If Bergevin had signed Vrbata, and he'd gotten 30 goals for the Canadiens last year he would have gotten all of the praise in the world for his shrewd work in UFA.

Why is it that so many people want to give GM's praise when things go wrong but no blame when things do not?

Vrbata was not the only option available last Summer.

This isn't a Vrbata or bust scenario.

Did Bergevin do a good job of making the needed forward improvements to the team last offseason? Or at any point during the season?

NO.

And he deserves blame for that.

If you'd like to pigeon hole the discussion into simply Vrbata, my point above stands.


AND

If Vrbata chose the Nucks over the Habs, because he got a chance to play with the Sedins...then he seems like a guy who cares more about scoring than winning. Since the Habs have better pieces, now and in the future, than the Nucks do.

But that's focusing in on one aspect for no reason.

Bergevin badly needed to improve the forward group last Summer.

He made it worse.

He deserves blame for that.

 

[vokiel]

In what world is DSP worth that. You may have to give them a pick just to take him

He's kinda overrated out there. I asked what was his value on the trade board some time ago before the end of the Stanley Cup finals and most said a 2nd, some Edmonton fans offered our 2nd & 4th back. I would definitely do that now.

 

[dudester]

The latest involving the Montreal Canadiens is that GM Marc Bergevin is very interested in acquiring San Jose Sharks forward Logan Couture.

In a season where the Sharks struggled all year, the 6-foot-1, 200-pound centre still put up a very impressive 67 total points (27 goals and 40 assists). However, the price to acquire Couture would be nothing less than Alex Galchenyuk.

http://www.gohabsgo.com/2015/06/26/new-big-rumour-of-the-day-involving-the-habs/

 

[HabsDieHard*]

Yeah, except you know, this thing called the Salary Cap, something were already flirting with and we havent signed Chucky.

I know this is last year, but we were flirting with the cap as is then too.

Parenteau and Desharnais made up 7.5 of the cap last Summer.

Bourque, coming off of 8 playoff goals and not a big obligation, could have been dealt for a conditional pick.

And, while Bourque wasn't his fault...Desharnais absolutely was, and so to was Parenteau.

So the cap issues were created on his own.

Could also add in him playing hardball with Subban and resulting in a 9 million cap hit, instead of something closer to Doughtys' 7 AAV.

Though I don't personally think that was an egregiously bad move. Or really a bad move at all.

The point here is that the Canadiens' cap issues were present due to the work Bergevin did. So absolving him of blame because of the cap issues is absurd.

 

[vokiel]

The latest involving the Montreal Canadiens is that GM Marc Bergevin is very interested in acquiring San Jose Sharks forward Logan Couture.

In a season where the Sharks struggled all year, the 6-foot-1, 200-pound centre still put up a very impressive 67 total points (27 goals and 40 assists). However, the price to acquire Couture would be nothing less than Alex Galchenyuk.

http://www.gohabsgo.com/2015/06/26/new-big-rumour-of-the-day-involving-the-habs/

Let them do it. If Therrien messes up Couture's production as well you know who you need to get rid of.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

The latest involving the Montreal Canadiens is that GM Marc Bergevin is very interested in acquiring San Jose Sharks forward Logan Couture.

In a season where the Sharks struggled all year, the 6-foot-1, 200-pound centre still put up a very impressive 67 total points (27 goals and 40 assists). However, the price to acquire Couture would be nothing less than Alex Galchenyuk.

http://www.gohabsgo.com/2015/06/26/new-big-rumour-of-the-day-involving-the-habs/

Would I trade Galchenyuk for Couture?

Sure.

Would the Sharks make that trade?

No.

 

[sheed36]

Please don't have interest in Versteeg MB.

 

[NobleSix]

Bergevin better do something to the top 6.


That's all ill say.

 

[Zorba]

Bergevin better do something to the top 6.


That's all ill say.

Please tell me how? No money. No one wants what he's offering. How will he do it