Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread-Solution in the locker room edition...

[Yoor]

Trade proposal thread locked with no other started hope no one minds i started another.

Vegas done with Ships, apparently we don't need a center anymore...solution is in the locker room...i guess. I don't get it, we have cap...check, we need depth at C...check, we need offence...check. Habs already turned it down...che...wait what? At $4.5 for 2 yrs why not take a flyer? Pleks off the books next year, I mean i can't see Vegas asking a whole lot in return. How about Shaw 1 for 1? or DLR + 3rd rd pick...anything.

Galch-Ship-Sherback?

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[the]

Posted this in the Bergevin thread...

Bergevin wanted him to sign with us. Probably Bergevin "fair" offer wasn't good enough for Shipachyov so when he learned how much he was asking for he backed down.

He's probably upset that Shipachyov was too greedy and now refuse to bring him to teach him a lesson

 

[brianp1950]

Posted this in the Bergevin thread...

Bergevin wanted him to sign with us. Probably Bergevin "fair" offer wasn't good enough for Shipachyov so when he learned how much he was asking for he backed down.

He's probably upset that Shipachyov was too greedy and now refuse to bring him to teach him a lesson

Molson must be very proud that we are so stacked as a team that we do not need to waste his millions on trying to improve the habs. MB has no vision other than tunnel.

 

[montreal]

Look at the timeline. Habs under MB have several Russian players either through draft, trade or UFA. Habs rumored to be interested in Shipachyov early last year (pre CJ). CJ comes in and the Habs go out and acquire King, Ott, Martinsen. Off-season every Russian player but Scherbak is gone (unless you count Galchenyuk as Russian, but his value was likely too low to trade in the summer imo) Now they have no interest in Shipachyov. Funny that pre CJ we had lots of Russians and interest in others and now under CJ we have hardly any. So was it MB that soured on them or does CJ have some issue and why? Just seems very odd that just about all of our Russian players are gone and we don't have interest in a player we were rumored to be interested in signing.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Bergevin not biting on Ship because he's thinking 2 steps ahead.

He thinks NYR will trade for Ship. Shortly thereafter, he'll pluck from the waiver wire a certain cuddly, captain-pleasing, #1 line-centering Ewok.

 

[Lebowski]

Do we know what went down exactly for things to go south that quickly with Shipachov? Is it all related to being sent down to the AHL to start the season?

It's a really odd situation.

 

[swimmer77]

I like the "solution in the locker room addition". If it's not the players, then what else is in the locker room that can change:

1. Toilet Paper
2. Paper Towels
3. Urinals
4. Urinal Blocks
5. Soap Dispensers
6. Soap
7. Lockers
8. Stalls
9. Lights
10. Rabbit's Foot (puck luck)

If I'd be the current vendor of this stuff, I'd be nervous. Somethings gotta change in that locker room.

Cap Space also seems to carry a lot of clout in this locker room. Why spend Cap Space on a center that probably has a higher PPG average than most of the Habs and it was a GOAL!

 

[Lebowski]

And Bergevin reportedly has no interest in Shipachov...

We're going to pass on a possible cheap top 6 center fix TWICE over a couple months.

 

[Adriatic]

Do we know what went down exactly for things to go south that quickly with Shipachov? Is it all related to being sent down to the AHL to start the season?

It's a really odd situation.

He's just not that good and got outplayed by the other centers.

 

[Hannibal]

Is there a way to get rid of Petry at some point? Or his NVM is for all of his contract years and we can't move him unless buyout?

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

Is there a way to get rid of Petry at some point? Or his NVM is for all of his contract years and we can't move him unless buyout?

He has a modified NTC starting next year where he can list 15 teams he doesn't want to be traded to.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Do we know what went down exactly for things to go south that quickly with Shipachov? Is it all related to being sent down to the AHL to start the season?

It's a really odd situation.

He as skill, but he is small and soft. Cant handle the size of NHL players .

 

[Yoor]

I still think that it's too early to tell about Shipachov no? 3 games at the NHL level. I mean i know below stats are KHL but looks like decent numbers and clearly a reason we were rumoured interested originally, wonder what has changed since then? GP G A PTS PIM +/-

I mean 3 games sample size where he got 1 goal already (GWG to boot) with the following approx 10min TOI per game and no PP time and good F/O %.

I haven't seen him play so no eye test here, but seems at least if I am Vegas i am getting this guy a bit more ice time and a longer leash...10 games at least. As for the Habs, total head scratcher here...Someone tell me I am wrong or shed some light as to what I am missing.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I still think that it's too early to tell about Shipachov no? 3 games at the NHL level. I mean i know below stats are KHL but looks like decent numbers and clearly a reason we were rumoured interested originally, wonder what has changed since then? GP G A PTS PIM +/-
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I mean 3 games sample size where he got 1 goal already (GWG to boot) with the following approx 10min TOI per game and no PP time and good F/O %.
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I haven't seen him play so no eye test here, but seems at least if I am Vegas i am getting this guy a bit more ice time and a longer leash...10 games at least. As for the Habs, total head scratcher here...Someone tell me I am wrong or shed some light as to what I am missing.

He's played less than 40 minutes. He's been pretty meh, but it seems strange to move on from him now.

 

[le_sean]

Apparently he might be too slow and soft for the NHL.

But the sad part is he would still be better than Danault and Plekanec.

 

[Draft]

Apparently he might be too slow and soft for the NHL.

But the sad part is he would still be better than Danault and Plekanec.

With the style that the Habs play? I don't think he fits at all. Could be Jori Lehtera 2.0.

I'd rather stick with what we've got than risk a big contract that'll likely be a marginal improvement.

 

[Hannibal]

I don't know why, but i get the feeling that we might be interested in Brendan Lemieux...

Lavoie said that Cheveldayoff was in Montreal scouting the Habs against Florida. And we know that our forward group is soft and small and Julien is preaching the go hard to the net getting those rebounds and tiping those pucks but we get box out most of the time. Lemieux might be a good fit on a third line. He's got the size and desire to do it.

I dont have any insider info.. only speculating. Winnipeg has an abondance of good young forward and dman. Maybe we could be good trading partner..

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Bergevin not biting on Ship because he's thinking 2 steps ahead.

He thinks NYR will trade for Ship. Shortly thereafter, he'll pluck from the waiver wire a certain cuddly, captain-pleasing, #1 line-centering Ewok.

Hilarious and scary because I think you may be right.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I'd offer:

To Las Vegas:
Alex Galchenyuk
Brett Lernout

To Montreal:
Vadim Shipachyov
Shea Theodore

 

[Elfward7]

I'm just spitballing for conversation sake but what would thoughts be on something around:

To Philadelphia: Carey Price, Artturi Lehkonen

To Montreal: Claude Giroux, Brian Elliott, Matt Read or Michael Raffl (for cap reasons)

Picks can be added to round it out.

It's interesting bc 10 games into the season, Price is doing horribly, Giroux is doing very well compared to what would have been expected.

Pacioretty - Giroux - Gallagher
Galchenyuk - Drouin - Shaw
Byron/Raffl - Danault - Read/Byron

Elliott
Montoya/Lindgren

Future would be Lindgren in net of course.

 

[NobleSix]

Of course. Why in the world would our great GM be intetested in a center on a 2 year deal? I mean, why would he actually do his job and bring in something the Habs actually need? That's just silly guys.

 

[Yoor]

Of course. Why in the world would our great GM be intetested in a center on a 2 year deal? I mean, why would he actually do his job and bring in something the Habs actually need? That's just silly guys.

Exactly i dont understand. 2 years is perfect considering Pleks is likely off the book next year and Poehling is still a few years away. Buys us a bit of time to also go after additional C depth this season or in the off season.

 

[Habs]

We only want garbage like Streit, King and Martinsen. The solution must come from within! Listen to your leader.

 

[SakuKoivu11]

I’ve seen a couple of VGK games with Shipachyov. He’s really lost in the defensive zone. He gives up on plays. I think they sent him back to work on his game as the NHL is all about winning and not a league to develop your defensive coverage. Think of Alex Semin and would you trade for him? Probably not. With that cap hit $4.5 mil for 2 years you’re basically getting Semin for almost $10 mil. Personally I would pass unless VGK include 2 x second round picks and retain half his salary. He’s just bad.

 

[SakuKoivu11]

He as skill, but he is small and soft. Cant handle the size of NHL players .

I would say small. He’s Galchenyuk Pacioretty size but I agree with being soft.