Speculation: Trade Ideas and Free Agency XII

[Avder]

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[DANOZ28]

lets assume our centers production will not improve from this point , when do you decide to upgrade?

 

[Minnewildsota]

lets assume our centers production will not improve from this point , when do you decide to upgrade?

When we start missing the playoffs.

 

[Victorious Secret]

When we start missing the playoffs.

So. Fix the problem when its too late.

 

[Generic User]

So. Fix the problem when its too late.

Not everyone thinks it's a problem at this point. Yes, it would be nice to have a 90 point center, but we are still winning games and playing really well as a team.

The way this team is being built, we'll (hopefully) only have to reload, not rebuild once we're trending downward. Draft centers and let them take their time to develop since there's no need to rush them at this point. Drafting and developing well can fix a lot of problems.

We overpay for a center upgrade right now, there's no guarantee it will work and we'll have to give up a lot of future assets and the depth that is currently contributing to our success at the moment.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

lets assume our centers production will not improve from this point , when do you decide to upgrade?

When an upgrade is actually attainable, works within the constraints of the salary cap and asset management, and is necessary for the long-term benefit of the team.

 

[Victorious Secret]

Not everyone thinks it's a problem at this point. Yes, it would be nice to have a 90 point center, but we are still winning games and playing really well as a team.

The way this team is being built, we'll (hopefully) only have to reload, not rebuild once we're trending downward. Draft centers and let them take their time to develop since there's no need to rush them at this point. Drafting and developing well can fix a lot of problems.

We overpay for a center upgrade right now, there's no guarantee it will work and we'll have to give up a lot of future assets and the depth that is currently contributing to our success at the moment.

It'd be nice to have a 60 point center. No one is getting to 90 points this year. Certainly getting some change through this stagnant scouting department would change some minds from drafting defensive players.

 

[gphr513]

You can see it with the moves they've made or haven't made. The trades. The fact we keep trading for wingers. Instead of making one big trade, we keep making these minor trades.

Which big trades should we have made? I don't recall any big name centers on the trading block in recent memory. How much would we have had to give up to make a big trade for a center?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Even still, we have no way of knowing how agressive we have been in that market either. Have any other centers that would be a clear upgrade on Koivu besides Carter and Seguin been traded in the past 5-7 years?

Spezza had red flags and isn't an upgrade

Staal isn't an upgrade and was expensive as hell

Turris was a complete unknown

Kesler isn't an upgrade.

Anybody I'm missing?

Which big trades should we have made? I don't recall any big name centers on the trading block in recent memory. How much would we have had to give up to make a big trade for a center?

Quoting myself from last page.

 

[Minnewildsota]

Which big trades should we have made? I don't recall any big name centers on the trading block in recent memory. How much would we have had to give up to make a big trade for a center?

Spezza! He's a first line center. Puts up great points and doesn't have any defense or injury deficiencies.

 

[gphr513]

Quoting myself from last page.

Precisely.

Anybody we would have traded for probably would have cost more than it was worth.

Just because nothing happens doesn't mean nobody is trying.

 

[Victorious Secret]

Which big trades should we have made? I don't recall any big name centers on the trading block in recent memory. How much would we have had to give up to make a big trade for a center?

Kyle Turris is the only notable and realistic one. Seguin is farfetched. I'd say Filip Forsberg but I have no idea what Washington was thinking. Ribeiro, but no thanks.

Could have signed Tyler Johnson, too.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Kyle Turris is the only notable and realistic one. Seguin is farfetched. I'd say Filip Forsberg but I have no idea what Washington was thinking. Ribeiro, but no thanks.

Could have signed Tyler Johnson, too.

Turris' best NHL season prior to his trade to Ottawa was 25 points in 65 games. I guess we could've taken a flyer or something, but in the context of "upgrading the center position", Turris was a complete unknown.

Also, Rundblad was still a pretty highly regarded prospect, if I recall correctly.

 

[Victorious Secret]

Turris' best NHL season prior to his trade to Ottawa was 25 points in 65 games. I guess we could've taken a flyer or something, but in the context of "upgrading the center position", Turris was a complete unknown.

Also, Rundblad was still a pretty highly regarded prospect, if I recall correctly.

As a 20 year old, I'd take that.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

As a 20 year old, I'd take that.

So you're good with Brodin for Turris?

 

[tomgilbertfan]

Kyle Turris is the only notable and realistic one. Seguin is farfetched. I'd say Filip Forsberg but I have no idea what Washington was thinking. Ribeiro, but no thanks.

Could have signed Tyler Johnson, too.

Forsberg isn't playing Center.

 

[DANOZ28]

maybe you think our center group is good enough & thats wonderful, i dont. hopefully this draft we'll use our #1 on a center possibly also our #2. unless we see significant improvement next year we have to look hard at a trade. wether its production or lack of faceoff wins i think we need an upgrade.

 

[Spurgeon]

maybe you think our center group is good enough & thats wonderful, i dont. hopefully this draft we'll use our #1 on a center possibly also our #2. unless we see significant improvement next year we have to look hard at a trade. wether its production or lack of faceoff wins i think we need an upgrade.

No one thinks we have elite centers, but we realize you can't just trade for TRUE young #1 Centers. They don't grow on trees.

 

[Dee Oh Cee]

I think a center will be #1 on your draft board but then again you can't go into the draft with the mindset to only draft a center. If a good one falls to us then of course you draft to your need but they'll evaluate everyone who is available at their pick.

 

[DANOZ28]

maybe im the only one that thinks our #1 center should be capable of scoring 20G. is that really too much to ask?

 

[Dee Oh Cee]

Of course it's not too much to ask...I think most of us are just saying it's not easy to just grab one who can do that out of thin air. I'm not giving up on the idea that Granlund and Coyle can be 20G centers.

 

[Spurgeon]

maybe im the only one that thinks our #1 center should be capable of scoring 20G. is that really too much to ask?

Not when your wingers score 30G.

This team benefits from all of our depth scoring.

They'll draft a center, but they're not going to go trade for Seguin.

 

[Generic User]

Not when your wingers score 30G.

This team benefits from all of our depth scoring.

They'll draft a center, but they're not going to go trade for Seguin.

Agreed... Because no one is. Because Dallas won't even think about trading him. There's probably not a player in the league who is less likely to get traded than Seguin. That age/contract/production.. You hang onto a player like that. Dallas made away like bandits when they traded for him; there's no way they're letting him go now -- especially to a divisional opponent. Trading for Seguin or a player like him is something we need to get over fast. It's not happening.

 

[Spurgeon]

Agreed... Because no one is. Because Dallas won't even think about trading him. There's probably not a player in the league who is less likely to get traded than Seguin. That age/contract/production.. You hang onto a player like that. Dallas made away like bandits when they traded for him; there's no way they're letting him go now -- especially to a divisional opponent. Trading for Seguin or a player like him is something we need to get over fast. It's not happening.

I meant Seguin, as in that type of player/trade. Not a literal trade for him.

 

[Generic User]

I meant Seguin, as in that type of player/trade. Not a literal trade for him.

Ryan Johansen (and other players like him) aren't going to come cheap, either. Would have to gut our team. Using the Seguin trade as a yard stick for what we would have to pay isn't realistic. Dallas captured lightning in a bottle. The stars () had to align for that one.