Trade, FA & Rumour Thread

[snowkiddin]

Would go after Hamilton as I don't see jones being a good fit anymore

If Hamilton hits FA this year I think you go all-in. While I believe Jones is the much better defender, we can’t afford to wait the extra year for him to arrive (basically lose a year of our window) and that’s also an extra year he has to re-sign. If the Hamilton opportunity presents itself, jump on it.

But still we have to be careful with Hamilton, he’s only had one season as a true #1D. In prior years he was a good offensive defenseman who couldn’t play defense.

 

[jrs]

Next year...
Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Copp-Dubois-Ehlers
Perfetti-Stastny(4.25m)-Palmieri(4.5m)
Harkins-Lowry-Apples
Gus/KV

JMo DD
Slamberg Heinola
Stanley Poolman
Boolow

Helle LB

Well below the cap.

I'd like to see Danault-Lowry-Copp.

 

[Jeti]

Prob in Seattle if we don't protect him.

The way the expansion draft is set up there'll be a lot of good defensemen available. 7 forwards and 3 D. IMO Seattle will be more likely to take young forwards with top 6 upside wherever they can get them rather than a bottom pairing D.

I think Copp, Harkins, Appleton, etc are far more likely to be picked than Stanley.

 

[SM]

For those with access to EH’s contract models, how much do they project Hamilton to make on a 7 year deal? Also what was the 7-8 year projection for PLD prior to him signing the 2x5M contract?

 

[BatVader]

If we can lock up PLD long-term at $7-8 that gives us our two number one Cs combined for $13-14 million. Compare that to teams like Toronto and Edmonton who have their top Cs locked up for $22 and $21 million. This extra $8-9 million gives us money to take a run at a top RHD in UFA should one come available, like Hamilton this year or Seth Jones next year.

That makes us a perennial Cup contender IMO.

Tomorrow I’ll play with the salaries and see what I can make fit.

No interest in any CBJ players now that we have PLD.
If there was any locker room issues there, which might have contributed to PLD wanting out, why would we bring it here and risk alienating our new C?
Lots of D options...Seth Jones is not one of them

 

[PhilJets]

No interest in any CBJ players now that we have PLD.
If there was any locker room issues there, which might have contributed to PLD wanting out, why would we bring it here and risk alienating our new C?
Lots of D options...Seth Jones is not one of them

If you can get Set Jones on a long term.
You trade PLD if he dont want to play with him.

But yeah not happening....

 

[DRW204]

Stempniak

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

No interest in any CBJ players now that we have PLD.
If there was any locker room issues there, which might have contributed to PLD wanting out, why would we bring it here and risk alienating our new C?
Lots of D options...Seth Jones is not one of them

Don't even want to re-sign Laine when he hits UFA?

I'm with you on Jones if he's the idiot anti-masker COVID denier as rumoured. Ohio is the perfect place for him.

 

[snowkiddin]

No interest in any CBJ players now that we have PLD.
If there was any locker room issues there, which might have contributed to PLD wanting out, why would we bring it here and risk alienating our new C?
Lots of D options...Seth Jones is not one of them

I'm not gonna assume Jones was the reason PLD wanted out, but if that's so, I would agree, don't pursue him.

Hamilton makes more sense for our window, if he can prove he's actually a #1D, anyway.

 

[Whileee]

Stanley is going to be playing a role here. Period!

At this rate, Stanley might be in Seattle next season.

 

[BigZ65]

But if we have Samberg then does it really matter? If losing Stanley let’s us keep Appleton and Harkins, I’m fine with that

The Jets are well-positioned to absorb any of the candidates we might lose in the XD. I think a bigger hit might be if Seattle targets a Lowry or Stastny as UFA, but the market will be flooded with middle 6 and 4-5-6 type D with the flat cap.

 

[WolfHouse]

The Jets are well-positioned to absorb any of the candidates we might lose in the XD. I think a bigger hit might be if Seattle targets a Lowry or Stastny as UFA, but the market will be flooded with middle 6 and 4-5-6 type D with the flat cap.

I just can't see re-signing Stats unless its $2-3 million... I think we give Lowry four years at $4 million which is more than anyone else would

 

[Huffer]

Assuming Heinola & Samberg develop as expected, I'm not sure there is any big holes in our roster anymore.......one might say a top 6 RW but I don't think we should spend more big cap money on wingers.......we have a few developing into none stars who can step up with cheap cap........very happy with the roster moving forward with good balance throughout.

Agreed although if there was an opportunity either with FA, or a team that needs to move a player due to cap, etc., I think spending on a top pair RHD (like a Hamilton) could be very good too. That's after getting PLD extended mind you.

I agree with you on wingers. I think the Jets could probably find wingers on short term deals to fill in where needed.

 

[snowkiddin]

Agreed although if there was an opportunity either with FA, or a team that needs to move a player due to cap, etc., I think spending on a top pair RHD (like a Hamilton) could be very good too. That's after getting PLD extended mind you.

I agree with you on wingers. I think the Jets could probably find wingers on short term deals to fill in where needed.

Yeah, the one advantage of getting PLD for Laine is wingers are easier to find via FA than Cs, IMO.

 

[Hunter368]

Agreed although if there was an opportunity either with FA, or a team that needs to move a player due to cap, etc., I think spending on a top pair RHD (like a Hamilton) could be very good too. That's after getting PLD extended mind you.

I agree with you on wingers. I think the Jets could probably find wingers on short term deals to fill in where needed.

Agreed. While I love watching Pionk wheel, spin, skate, etc.......he does struggle defensively at times. Now he's still easily a top 4 D, RHD to boot.......I would perfer an upgrade over him long term. Hamilton is an option potentially, but depends on his contract depends, he will pick where he wants to go......I suspect knowing his personality a bit he'll want to stay out of all Canadian markets......but I might be wrong. I suspect we need to draft our own big solid two way D to fill that type of role..........we don't have anyone that fits that mold now in our system (Samberg is more defensive & Heinola is small.......we need a Samberg/Heinola hybrid).

 

[snowkiddin]

Agreed. While I love watching Pionk wheel, spin, skate, etc.......he does struggle defensively at times. Now he's still easily a top 4 D, RHD to boot.......I would perfer an upgrade over him long term. Hamilton is an option potentially, but depends on his contract depends, he will pick where he wants to go......I suspect knowing his personality a bit he'll want to stay out of all Canadian markets......but I might be wrong. I suspect we need to draft our own big solid two way D to fill that type of role..........we don't have anyone that fits that mold now in our system (Samberg is more defensive & Heinola is small.......we need a Samberg/Heinola hybrid).

The thing is, I think we’ll be in a tough spot to draft a star #1D. I expect we’ll routinely be a playoff team and picking in the late teens at best the next few years — we’ll need to get a bit lucky to find someone like that there.

 

[Hunter368]

The thing is, I think we’ll be in a tough spot to draft a star #1D. I expect we’ll routinely be a playoff team and picking in the late teens at best the next few years — we’ll need to get a bit lucky to find someone like that there.

Completely agree

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

The thing is, I think we’ll be in a tough spot to draft a star #1D. I expect we’ll routinely be a playoff team and picking in the late teens at best the next few years — we’ll need to get a bit lucky to find someone like that there.

All the more reason to... well, you know.

 

[WolfHouse]

The thing is, I think we’ll be in a tough spot to draft a star #1D. I expect we’ll routinely be a playoff team and picking in the late teens at best the next few years — we’ll need to get a bit lucky to find someone like that there.

So if we're a playoff team and not just limping in... why are we worried about a #1D?

 

[snowkiddin]

So if we're a playoff team and not just limping in... why are we worried about a #1D?

Would be nice to have that piece that puts over-the-top.

Also, it’s important to note “playoff team” and “Cup contender” are wildly different.

 

[WolfHouse]

Would be nice to have that piece that puts over-the-top.

Also, it’s important to note “playoff team” and “Cup contender” are wildly different.

If we are a fringe playoff team, players like Chabot, Brannstrom will be available... if we're a contender, then obviously the system is working...

Samberg, Heinola, Demelo, Morrissey could be a really nice top 4 - especially now that we have size/grit up front again

Still say that we were focused on a big RHD because we needed one to QB the power play for Laine... now that need is gone

I'm just worried that Chevy will do something insane like trade down our first rounder to ensure we can keep Stanley...

 

[Daximus]

Agreed although if there was an opportunity either with FA, or a team that needs to move a player due to cap, etc., I think spending on a top pair RHD (like a Hamilton) could be very good too. That's after getting PLD extended mind you.

I agree with you on wingers. I think the Jets could probably find wingers on short term deals to fill in where needed.

I think and dont quote me exactly on it because I'm not at my computer but I think Hamilton doesn't want to play in Canada anymore. Or at least didn't for a time. I'll have to dig for the quote but I believe it was stated that he preferred American markets.

 

[Daximus]

If we are a fringe playoff team, players like Chabot, Brannstrom will be available... if we're a contender, then obviously the system is working...

Samberg, Heinola, Demelo, Morrissey could be a really nice top 4 - especially now that we have size/grit up front again

Still say that we were focused on a big RHD because we needed one to QB the power play for Laine... now that need is gone

I'm just worried that Chevy will do something insane like trade down our first rounder to ensure we can keep Stanley...

Yeah lets not go down that road again. Let them take someone and move on.

 

[KingBogo]

If we are a fringe playoff team, players like Chabot, Brannstrom will be available... if we're a contender, then obviously the system is working...

Samberg, Heinola, Demelo, Morrissey could be a really nice top 4 - especially now that we have size/grit up front again

Still say that we were focused on a big RHD because we needed one to QB the power play for Laine... now that need is gone

I'm just worried that Chevy will do something insane like trade down our first rounder to ensure we can keep Stanley...

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets protect Stanley in the XD, but I think it is more likely they trade Pionk to free up the protection spot rather than trade down. I don't think Chevy will be keen on paying Pionk market rates which is likely north of $5 M since he has the counting stats agents and arbitrators love. They have Heinola in the wings who can take over his role at a fraction of the cost, and with a higher ceiling.

 

[Hunter368]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets protect Stanley in the XD, but I think it is more likely they trade Pionk to free up the protection spot rather than trade down. I don't think Chevy will be keen on paying Pionk market rates which is likely north of $5 M since he has the counting stats agents and arbitrators love. They have Heinola in the wings who can take over his role at a fraction of the cost, and with a higher ceiling.

Agreed.......I wonder if Pionk will be traded before then.