Guy won Executive of the Year a few hours ago at that time, he could have said what he wanted or the "no comment" that Donaldson said on his departure if any of these acquisitions against Shapiro were true.
Rookie question about IFA's:
How does it work in terms of signing them? How do the Yankees end up with Jasson Dominguez? Do they offer him the most out of their pool of money? Why aren't we in on a top guy? The last top guy we signed was Vlady iirc. This year we're rumored to be in on RiKelvin de Castro but he's ranked 27th on MLB.com.
Where is the rest of our pool of money going?
Sorry for the wave of questions but answers or where I can get answers would be appreciated.
The main draw for the Blue Jays looks to be Woods Richardson, a highly-regarded right-handed starter who was selected by the Mets in the second round of last year’s draft. While he currently finds himself out of most top 100 lists, it was noted back in February over at FanGraphs that Woods Richardson could be flying up rankings in a short amount of time. Compared to other high school prospects, it was brought up that he had a high floor, along with a relatively good ceiling as a mid-rotation starter.
The only pitcher that can really hold a comparison to Woods Richardson’s 2019 season from an age and performance standpoint is 2008 Madison Bumgarner (2.06 FIP in 141 2⁄3 innings). It took Bumgarner one year after that to log innings in Double-A and another year two years to mold himself into one of the game’s best pitchers. Obviously, those standards are completely unfair to hold to Woods Richardson, but with a similar polish to Bumgarner, a fastball that tops in the mid-90s, and an early track-record of strong numbers, it wouldn’t be unreasobale to think that Woods Richardson could have that same ascendance up the minor league ladder and the prospect ranks.
I've been saying it since last season. This market sucks, especially since we're in a rebuild phase. I blame Fangraphs for placing and normalizing the overly inflated prices on prospects that don't account for attrition or risk in any substantive way. JkHapp's 2018 with the Jays: 1.9 fWAR or 1.2 bWAR for 2 months + playoffs
Vargas's 2019 with the Mets: 1.1 fWAR or 1.6 bWAR for 2 months + potential playoffs.
Vargas also has a 2020 option with 8M or a buy out of 2M. Mets will pick up the some of Vargas' remaining salary.
Happ returned 3.5 years of Drury and 6 years of McKinney.
Vargas returned a 26 year old catcher from AA who can hit above the Mendoza line.
is it me, or is the market getting worse and worse?
Essentially every team has a certain amount of money they can spend, for most teams I believe it is $5.5M. Most teams either, A) spend most of their money on 1 highly regarded prospect and then the rest on cheap prospects. Or B) spread their pool money around on many mid tier prospects. So the Blue Jays could have offered up to $5.5M for Dominguez, or anyone else, but it would have meant they would have had no money to spend on anyone else. Ultimately it’s up to the prospect to pick where he goes so it’s unknown whether the Yankees offered the most or not.
The Blue Jays this year likely spread around their pool money this year, but last year they did what the Yankees did and spent most of their money on Orelvis Martinez. It is also complicated by the fact that these deals are often made 1-2 years in advance of them actually signing, so you only have an estimate of how they will be by the time you can actually sign them.
There is some other details that further complicate how IFA’s work, but this is the gist of it.
Just want to clarify my position on the Stroman trade outside of the jokes. Didn't like the trade, but definitely like the player. SWR is a good prospect. Big, athletic, throws hard, young for his level, and you can project on his secondaries. Nothing at all wrong with him as a piece. It's the overall package that left something to be desired, and we sent money to the Mets on top of it.
Happ's 2018 with the Jays: 1.9 fWAR or 1.2 bWAR for 2 months + playoffs
Vargas's 2019 with the Mets: 1.1 fWAR or 1.6 bWAR for 2 months + potential playoffs.
Vargas also has a 2020 option with 8M or a buy out of 2M. Mets will pick up the some of Vargas' remaining salary.
Happ returned 3.5 years of Drury and 6 years of McKinney.
Vargas returned a 26 year old catcher from AA who cant hit above the Mendoza line.
is it me, or is the market getting worse and worse?
The market is bad, but our management made it look worse then it is.I've been saying it since last season. This market sucks, especially since we're in a rebuild phase. I blame Fangraphs for placing and normalizing the overly inflated prices on prospects that don't account for attrition or risk in any substantive way. Jk
Discoverer said:Fun fact about him, relating to our discussion the other day on FV not necessarily reflecting the upside of young players:
THE BOARD! | FanGraphs Baseball
Fangraphs SWR as the highest rated 18-year-old pitcher in baseball and the only one given a 45+ FV. Given his performance this year, I feel like it should be at least a 50, but I get it given his age. He's the kind of pitcher who could really shoot up in a hurry (along with Pardinho and, to a lesser extent, Kloffenstein).
Essentially every team has a certain amount of money they can spend, for most teams I believe it is $5.5M. Most teams either, A) spend most of their money on 1 highly regarded prospect and then the rest on cheap prospects. Or B) spread their pool money around on many mid tier prospects. So the Blue Jays could have offered up to $5.5M for Dominguez, or anyone else, but it would have meant they would have had no money to spend on anyone else. Ultimately it’s up to the prospect to pick where he goes so it’s unknown whether the Yankees offered the most or not.
The Blue Jays this year likely spread around their pool money this year, but last year they did what the Yankees did and spent most of their money on Orelvis Martinez. It is also complicated by the fact that these deals are often made 1-2 years in advance of them actually signing, so you only have an estimate of how they will be by the time you can actually sign them.
There is some other details that further complicate how IFA’s work, but this is the gist of it.
Happ's 2018 with the Jays: 1.9 fWAR or 1.2 bWAR for 2 months + playoffs
Vargas's 2019 with the Mets: 1.1 fWAR or 1.6 bWAR for 2 months + potential playoffs.
Vargas also has a 2020 option with 8M or a buy out of 2M. Mets will pick up the some of Vargas' remaining salary.
Happ returned 3.5 years of Drury and 6 years of McKinney.
Vargas returned a 26 year old catcher from AA who cant hit above the Mendoza line.
is it me, or is the market getting worse and worse?
Pretty much my opinion as well. I like the piece, but should have had more.
SWR has had a Syndergaardian season this year and he’ll be 18 in A+. Maybe we’re all just really underrating his ability.
Prospect Deep Dive: Simeon Woods Richardson, who could be best pitcher in Mets' minorsThis is why I've said the real test of whether or not the Stroman trade is "good" is going to be in how the market shakes down. Happ was better than Vargas if you take into account prior years history, but for a rental they were somewhat similar-ish, but the return went from a pair of young roster players with moderate upside to a guy who may never be anything at all given his track record. It may very well turn out that the Mets package the team got for Stroman is reasonable value. Even if we do end up with one rogue GM going out and paying through the nose as a Wednesday morning panic move.
See above. I'm not quite saying we need to wait and see what Kay and Woods-Richardson become (what's the deal with his name? is it hyphenated? Is it just two separated last names somehow? Is Woods his middle name? Does he insist on going by 3 names like David Lee Roth or John Wilkes Booth or Lee Harvey Oswald? Should we be concerned that might be a sign that he's either a burnout or a would-be assassin? ), just that value is purchasing power. If it turns out that nobody else with pitchers to sell around Stroman's level gets a whole lot more or less than the Jays did, then that means the trade is ultimately an acceptable one.
Prospect Deep Dive: Simeon Woods Richardson, who could be best pitcher in Mets' minors
Seems he took on his step fathers last name and kept his birth fathers also
I had a half-written post earlier today where I used the term "Syndergaardian" to describe him. There are a lot of similarities.
If he's even decent in Dunedin to end the year he's an easy Top 100 prospect in the offseason. Honestly, given his A-ball performance, he probably deserves it regardless of how he does at the next level.
Happ's 2018 with the Jays: 1.9 fWAR or 1.2 bWAR for 2 months + playoffs
Vargas's 2019 with the Mets: 1.1 fWAR or 1.6 bWAR for 2 months + potential playoffs.
Vargas also has a 2020 option with 8M or a buy out of 2M. Mets will pick up the some of Vargas' remaining salary.
Happ returned 3.5 years of Drury and 6 years of McKinney.
Vargas returned a 26 year old catcher from AA who cant hit above the Mendoza line.
is it me, or is the market getting worse and worse?