Speculation: Toronto Cap Hell. 2019 Summer Fire Sale?

[QJL]

Only way Marleau comes off the books is with a cup and a retirement.

I think Kadri will be traded to make the necessary room for Marner.

Nylander stays for now.

Could see Kapanen or Johnsson holding out on low bridge deal offers and then eventually signing.

Marner is going to see at least an $11m offer sheet from a desirable destination. I have no doubt.

It will be quite interesting.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Nothing wrong with the Leafs D corps. They have excelled at keeping goals out of their own net and have been crucial to the Leafs success this year.

How can they be so successful when one of the worst players in the league plays so many minutes for them? Crazy isn’t it.

Because of their forwards and goaltending? Im not gonna go into the discussion about how good their bottom 4 defenders are but Leafs being top 10 in GA isnt because their d-core is one of the best in the NHL. Its because of their forward group being as good as they are, some good defensemen and Andersen. Give them an average goaltender and average forward group and they would be f***ed.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Johnsson	2.25	Matthews	11.634	Kapanen	4
Hyman	2.25	Tavares	11	Marner	9
Moore	0.775	Kadri	4.5	Nylander	6.9
Lindholm	0.75	Gauthier	0.675	Brown	2.1
Marchment	0.768
Rielly	5	Zaitsev	4.5
Muzzin	4	Liljegren	0.895
Dermott	0.864	Ozhiganov	1.5
Rosen	0.75	Holl	0.675
Andersen	5
Sparks	0.9
Kessel	1.2
	81.886

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Send to SJ as a worse case scenario and retain half of Marleau's deal after July 1.

Kessel $1.2M brings that total t0 $83.086M.

When you retain, you retain both the cap hit and the actual salary.

So retaining 50% on marleau means $625K in salary but $3.125M in cap hit.

 

[FriedmansBaldSpot]

Matthews gets less than Mcdavid and more than Eichel, 10.5- 11.5
Marner gets 8.5 - 9,5 depending on term, wingers get less than C's
Kappanen gets a bridge 4.75 - 5.5 or 5.5-6 long term

Marner is not getting 8.5-9.5. His camp is confident he's worth every cent that Matthews is worth. He's not settling for a number as low as 8.5

 

[A1LeafNation]

Kessel $1.2M brings that total t0 $83.086M.

When you retain, you retain both the cap hit and the actual salary.

So retaining 50% on marleau means $625K in salary but $3.125M in cap hit.

81.9 including Kessel.

 

[Mersss]

Only way Marleau comes off the books is with a cup and a retirement.

I think Kadri will be traded to make the necessary room for Marner.

Nylander stays for now.

Could see Kapanen or Johnsson holding out on low bridge deal offers and then eventually signing.

Marner is going to see at least an $11m offer sheet from a desirable destination. I have no doubt.

It will be quite interesting.

If Kapanen isn't stupid, he's BANGING on his added value of this season... Risking going back to his 30pts self on a bridge contract would be COMPLETELY stupid for him

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Dubas been cleaning Lou's mess for a year.

It's remarkable how some Leafs fans turn quickly on those they greeted as saviors when they came him.

Burke.

Lamoriello.

Even Babcock is criticized more and more often...

 

[Martin Skoula]

If Kapanen isn't stupid, he's BANGING on his added value of this season... Risking going back to his 30pts self on a bridge contract would be COMPLETELY stupid for him

You think he's going to be dropped down to the 4th line for some reason? Especially if pretty much most of his winger competition other than Marner and Nylander have to be moved in a cap crunch?

 

[Rubi]

Next year won't be pretty for the Leafs... especially if Marner signs for $10.5M+ as expected.
I think a lot of people here need to take a long hard look at this...

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Mersss]

Let's stay honest here.

The cap will go up ($3.5M ?).

Horton's LTIR ($5.3M).

So that's about $16.4M.

But Marner will get $10-11M of this.

Matthews gave them no "let's keep the team together" discount.

Tavares might have a few choice words for him.

Things will be very tight...

PS: I don't disagree with Matthews.

Horton LTIR doesn't kick in until the begining of the season, theys till have to be cap compliant on october 4th next year

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

But it will be done. Also I think it's a myth that other GMs take advantage. Everybody knew Leafs needed but they didn't over pay for Muzzin.

Nothing wrong with being optimistic (even if it's overly so).

 

[Fogelhund]

Only way Marleau comes off the books is with a cup and a retirement.

I think Kadri will be traded to make the necessary room for Marner.

Nylander stays for now.

Could see Kapanen or Johnsson holding out on low bridge deal offers and then eventually signing.

Marner is going to see at least an $11m offer sheet from a desirable destination. I have no doubt.

It will be quite interesting.

Marleau was over 35 when he signed his contract. If he retires, it doesn't come off the books.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Horton LTIR doesn't kick in until the begining of the season, theys till have to be cap compliant on october 4th next year

Nope.

There are some slight inconvenient to used LTIR in training camp, but it can be done.

 

[Mersss]

You think he's going to be dropped down to the 4th line for some reason? Especially if pretty much most of his winger competition other than Marner and Nylander have to be moved in a cap crunch?

I,m saying he knows he's been riding someone else's production. Signing a bridge deal @ lets say 3M, when he could be asking for a 5 yeard deal @ 4ish at the moment would be stupid. Chances are he's not going to have another season like this one... He'll end up the season @ around 50ish points... He could ask for 4-4.5 on a 4-5 year deal if he wants. Singing a short term bridge may just hurt his value long term as he's no longer playing on the top line

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Nothing wrong with the Leafs D corps. They have excelled at keeping goals out of their own net and have been crucial to the Leafs success this year.

I guess you only look at stats sheets and magical advanced metrics, and not at games.

 

[Revelation]

I thought you like to deal in small sample sizes and knee jerk reactions? So what's his value now a 6th round pick?

No he's always been a one dimensional top 6 winger who took after his dad.

I'm more than happy with the Leafs keeping him around rather than use the cap space to meaningfully strengthen the team

 

[Yackiberg8]

Because of their forwards and goaltending? Im not gonna go into the discussion about how good their bottom 4 defenders are but Leafs being top 10 in GA isnt because their d-core is one of the best in the NHL. Its because of their forward group being as good as they are, some good defensemen and Andersen. Give them an average goaltender and average forward group and they would be ****ed.

Because of their forwards and goaltending? Im not gonna go into the discussion about how good their bottom 4 defenders are but Leafs being top 10 in GA isnt because their d-core is one of the best in the NHL. Its because of their forward group being as good as they are, some good defensemen and Andersen. Give them an average goaltender and average forward group and they would be ****ed.

So you think the Dman playing the third most minutes of the team doesn’t have much of an impact on how the team plays or what are you saying?

Their forwards and G are good but their are 2 defenceman on the ice at a time. Their D can’t possibly be as bad as people say or the team wouldn’t be as good as it is. Their cap troubles can be saved now, they can get AHL replacements for their bottom 4 since their forwards and goalie are so good.

“Instead of a great forward group and a great goalie, give them an average forward group and goalie and they wouldn’t be as good.” Wow hot take there, any more genius insight to share?

 

[Yackiberg8]

I guess you only look at stats sheets and magical advanced metrics, and not at games.

You’d think the Leafs were in last place the way some people talk about them.

 

[Grimmas]

Next year won't be pretty for the Leafs... especially if Marner signs for $10.5M+ as expected.
I think a lot of people here need to take a long hard look at this...

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

I just did the armchair GM thing. Zaitsev and Brown go, sign a cheap RD (like 1.5 million or under) and the team is under the cap.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

81.9 including Kessel.

Just saw that you did include Kessel.

My apologies.

But what about Marleau ?

 

[Martin Skoula]

I,m saying he knows he's been riding someone else's production. Signing a bridge deal @ lets say 3M, when he could be asking for a 5 yeard deal @ 4ish at the moment would be stupid. Chances are he's not going to have another season like this one... He'll end up the season @ around 50ish points... He could ask for 4-4.5 on a 4-5 year deal if he wants. Singing a short term bridge may just hurt his value long term as he's no longer playing on the top line

Why is he not going to have another season like this one exactly? It's not like he's tapping in Matthews/Tavares rebounds, he generates most of his own chances with his speed. He's easily got the skillset that you expect from a 50+ point player.

 

[Grimmas]

Nothing wrong with being optimistic (even if it's overly so).

Fine, get back to me next season when it is then. What don't you think will be done? The Leafs have to be under the cap. They aren't trading the big 4. Maybe Kapanen goes, maybe.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

You’d think the Leafs were in last place the way some people talk about them.

Are the goal posts on the move ?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Just saw that you did include Kessel.

My apologies.

But what about Marleau ?

Johnsson	2.25	Matthews	11.634	Kapanen	4
Hyman	2.25	Tavares	11	Marner	9
Moore	0.775	Kadri	4.5	Nylander	6.9
Lindholm	0.75	Gauthier	0.675	Brown	2.1
Marchment	0.768
Rielly	5	Zaitsev	4.5
Muzzin	4	Liljegren	0.895
Dermott	0.864	Ozhiganov	1.5
Rosen	0.75	Holl	0.675
Andersen	5
Sparks	0.9
Kessel	1.2
Marleau	3.13
	85.016

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Fine, get back to me next season when it is then. What don't you think will be done? The Leafs have to be under the cap. They aren't trading the big 4. Maybe Kapanen goes, maybe.

Didn't I write that there is nothing wrong about being optimistic, even if overly so ?

Why are you arguing against shadows ?