Speculation: Toronto Cap Hell. 2019 Summer Fire Sale?

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Friedman/Johnston(Feb 2, 2019): $12 million x 6 years, $11 million x 5 years for Matthews.

Matthews, Marner and Kapanen are going to command $28 million(±2). Assuming a $3.5 bump in cap, they still need to sign 7 players for $24,301.

Bob McKenzie: "$11 million for 5/6 years give or take a few hundred thousand or $13 million for 7/8 years."

There's a $3.8 million cushion Toronto can elect to absorb this season, if they decide to go all in and use that cap space then it is carried over to the 2019/20 season.

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[TheNewEra]

they are probably going to pay someone to take zaitsev

kadri probably gets traded, might even be packaged with zaitsev for picks

also i think the matthews and marner numbers might be a bit too high

 

[TheBeastCoast]

they are probably going to pay someone to take zaitsev

kadri probably gets traded, might even be packaged with zaitsev for picks

also i think the matthews and marner numbers might be a bit too high

Highly highly doubt Kadri goes anywhere....He is the kind of contract you keep. Brown is the player that needs to and will be traded, there is no way we can pay 2.1 for a 4th liner. Then it comes down to whether or not Dubas can figure something out with Zaitsev and Marleau.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

they need ship Marleau, Zaitsev, Horton out in off season. Then they're set.

 

[LucicAndChong]

Kadri probably isnt leaving, Matthews will get sub $11 ($10.534M/6Y), Marner will get sub $10 ($9.75M/7Y) and Zaitsev will be traded, so will Brown

 

[Tatar Shots]

Likely Matthews and Marner get 5-6 year deals at smaller cap hits, Kapanen gets a 1 year deal, and Brown is traded. It will be tight, but they should be fine just doing this.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Can he inflate these numbers anymore?, what a joke, this op has some sort of agenda here, not sure why he doesn't try to focus on the Oilers considering how bad they are.....

Please, these are going by Bob McKenzie's latest numbers.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Matthews and Marner are signed way too high, Sounding like Matthews might sign closer to $10 million per $11 million per at his highest with a 5-6 year deal. Don't see Marner more then $9.5M per at the very most He's not an $11M per guy. Kucherov is better and signed for $9.5M.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Matthews gets less than Mcdavid and more than Eichel, 10.5- 11.5
Marner gets 8.5 - 9,5 depending on term, wingers get less than C's
Kappanen gets a bridge 4.75 - 5.5 or 5.5-6 long term

 

[biotk]

Matthews and Marner will sign the same contracts. Hopefully the Leafs can get Matthews to sign for 10x6. If Kapanen signs a short deal it will be under 4.5 - perhaps 3 for 2 years. If they can sign Johnsson for 2x2 they might be ok.

But things rest on Matthews and Marner. Will Matthews be willing to sign for something like 10x6? If not do they try for a 2 or 3 year deal at say 8M per and go for broke during those two or three years. If Marner is not willing to accept the same contract Matthews signs (he won't be signing for less), do they let him sit like Nylander or take the picks if Marner signs an OS?

Yes, they might be able to move Marleau or Zaitsev, but neither will come cheap or free up a ton of money.

 

[TheNewEra]

Highly highly doubt Kadri goes anywhere....He is the kind of contract you keep. Brown is the player that needs to and will be traded, there is no way we can pay 2.1 for a 4th liner. Then it comes down to whether or not Dubas can figure something out with Zaitsev and Marleau.

while i agree trading brown makes sense as he is a 4th liner, even if you were to trade him for picks you can only use that 2.1 million for roughly 3 minimum players (thats assuming you get the players at minimum)

kadri and zaistev makes more sense as it creates flexibility, especially because leafs will need a decent backup goalie so andersen doesnt get run into the ground

i do agree that trading marleau makes more sense, and in a perfect world him and zaistev get traded

from my understanding marleau has a full nmc and based off how he and the rest of the leafs talk i dont see him waiving to go anywhere, maybe back to san jose?

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Numbers are too high for Matthews, kapanen and Marner

Brown is 100% gone

I can see Nylander being traded in the off season.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

they need ship Marleau, Zaitsev, Horton out in off season. Then they're set.

Horton LTIR doesn't affect the cap at all next season. Only way Marleau's contract is "shipped" if if he retires. It's Nylander that's the easy trade for relief and return.

 

[Cleetus]

Please, these are going by Bob McKenzie's latest numbers.

so we should take this as fact????, guess Bobby Mac is the GM now? get off it.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Please, these are going by Bob McKenzie's latest numbers.

Want to post somewhere that Bob said Marner would sign for 11? Add in the talk is Matthews is looking at a 5-6 year deal and this reeks of even more B.S. You have absolutely nothing to back this up lol. You just intentionally went as high as you possibly could on any extension to make this look as bleak as you possibly could. It is okay to admit it, I would atleast respect that more then trying to act like this is an unbiased take.

 

[TFHockey]

Wasn't the latest rumor the Matthews signs for 5-6 years and the contract is structured so that the Cap hit isn't so bad?

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Numbers are too high for Matthews and Marner

Brown is 100% gone

I can see Nylander being traded in the off season.

Bob McKenzie thinks $11 for 5-6 years or $13 for 8.

 

[Seras]

If only the Maple Leafs hired people to plan this stuff out then the OP and others would not have to save them for a horrible future where they cannot sign their players

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Bob McKenzie thinks $11 for 5-6 years or $13 for 8.

So then change the number to 11 in the picture? I can't see the leafs allowing it to get above 11, if it takes a 6 year contract to do that then sure.

 

[LeafGrief]

What a unique thread idea!

Leafs can go over the cap by Horton's hit, so they have nearly $5.4m for the 7 players even if we take your... inflated... numbers for Matthews and Marner. They will also trade Brown for futures, bringing them up to $7.5m for 8 players.

If they trade Marleau, they are fine. If they dump Zaitsev they are fine. If they trade Kapanen for a defensemen they are fine. If they get Matthews and Marner at market rates instead of these fan-fiction numbers they are fine. Even if the Leafs do have to have a "fire sale" and trade Nylander for a 7th round pick they will still be Stanley Cup contenders next year.

Have a nice day.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

So then change the number to 11 in the picture? I can't see the leafs allowing it to get above 11, if it takes a 6 year contract to do that then sure.

I added a (+/-) 2 million to account for that.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

What a unique thread idea!

Leafs can go over the cap by Horton's hit, so they have nearly $5.4m for the 7 players even if we take your... inflated... numbers for Matthews and Marner. They will also trade Brown for futures, bringing them up to $7.5m for 8 players.

If they trade Marleau, they are fine. If they dump Zaitsev they are fine. If they trade Kapanen for a defensemen they are fine. If they get Matthews and Marner at market rates instead of these fan-fiction numbers they are fine. Even if the Leafs do have to have a "fire sale" and trade Nylander for a 7th round pick they will still be Stanley Cup contenders next year.

Have a nice day.

Horton is already on LTIR in my calculation.

 

[justafan22]

oh no, too many good players!!

/s

But seriously, Dubas should be fired on the spot if gives Marner 11 million.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

while i agree trading brown makes sense as he is a 4th liner, even if you were to trade him for picks you can only use that 2.1 million for roughly 3 minimum players (thats assuming you get the players at minimum)

kadri and zaistev makes more sense as it creates flexibility, especially because leafs will need a decent backup goalie so andersen doesnt get run into the ground

i do agree that trading marleau makes more sense, and in a perfect world him and zaistev get traded

from my understanding marleau has a full nmc and based off how he and the rest of the leafs talk i dont see him waiving to go anywhere, maybe back to san jose?

The Leafs recently signed Trevor Moore to near league min and he should be able to fill in reasonably well in a 4th line role based on his play this year. With the Leafs really only being super tight next year with the Marleau and Horton deals expiring after to me keeping a player like Kadri is key....because if you trade him in a year you are looking to replace him.

With Marleau the Leafs might have to get creative....after July 1 he is only owed just over a million on his deal. He could theoretically be Orpick'ed. Being the Leafs attach a pick to him to a rebuilding team...who buys him out and he then comes back to Toronto on a lower cap hit. It is obviously going to be tight next year but it should be manageable. Brown and Zaitsev have to go though.

 

[Taylorst]

Their is no way that Toronto will be able to resign , kap, mamer, Matthews and still put a team on the ice.

Nylander
Tavares
Kap
Matthews
Marmer
Just a simple basic calculation here
Close to 50 million easily in cap space tied up

Good luck with that lol