There are a lot of teams that do well when a new coach is brought in. How long do you expect this honeymoon phase of being consistently outshot and winning to continue?
Post-Game Talk: Toronto at Ottawa, April 20th
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There are a lot of teams that do well when a new coach is brought in. How long do you expect this honeymoon phase of being consistently outshot and winning to continue?
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This 'outshot' nonsense is beyond trivial at this point. Look at the shots the Leafs give up, they are easy shots. The shot totals are very misleading, do you honestly believe the Sens had a great deal of better scoring chances than the Leafs last night?
The Leafs have been outshot many times this season, but very rarely out-chanced in legit scoring chances.
HavlatMach9
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I think making the playoffs is a great achievement for the Leafs because they really are a rebuilding team, with a lot of money, but still a rebuilding team. A lot of their key players are young and some up coming like Gardiner (needs a good offseason) and Reilly.
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Both organizations have a lot of depth in their systems moving forward. I just get annoyed how people disregard the Leafs young talent in all honesty. Aside from the young guys on the Big club, the Marlies currently has Rielly, Colborne, Biggs, Ashton, Percy, Blacker, Ross, Leivo, Broll etc. Potentially very capable NHL players.
What I saw was Ottawa controlling the game, with a lack of finish and allowing Toronto to hang around. Toronto plays extremely hard, back checks hard and are great at clearing the front of the net from all the rebounds Reimer can't handle. Keep in mind Ottawa is missing their two best players as well.
Toronto has been rebuilding for a decade. Making the playoffs is a huge achievement for them I guess (even tho 16 of 30 make it every year)
Reilly is a blue chipper, but the rest are avg. prospects at best. Every organization has average prospects.
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What i saw was more like toronto not giving ottawa any good chances and then scoring whenever they needed to or had the chance. They made ottawa look dumb imo. and that's not easy for me to say. we have a ways to go. spezza and karlsson would have helped obviously, but....we have a ways to go.
HavlatMach9
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That's all they really need though now. The biggest problems they had was a lack of a #1C and #1 goalie. Now they have Reimer, and Kadri is their young potential decent #1C. They have a few excellent wingers already.
Luckily Kadri's ELC contract actually ends this year I think so he'll cost at least more than what they gave Luke Schenn. Subban will get paid too.
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Unfortunately, that's not the case. Toronto was foolishly trying to make the playoffs late in seasons at the beginning of the lockout, finishing 9th twice and 12th once. They traded a ton of assets and draft picks in those times because they were still living in the past.
Toronto started their rebuild in 2008, with the cupboards as bare as they were I'm not surprised it took so long. They should have made it last year, but that young team collapsed under the pressure, hopefully for their sake they are better because of it moving forward.
Outshot them 50-22, with no Karlsson or Spezza, and 8 rookies in the lineup. Andy obviously had one of worst of the year. I think you're being a little pessimistic.
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i don't think i'm being pessimistic. i've just watched every toronto ottawa game this yr. Toronto is a better team than ottawa right now. We have a ways to go. nothing wrong with that. We will be very very good very very soon.
I completely agree, I just don't see how Toronto, while already spending to the cap, is supposed to move from what they are now, to challenging for the cup. This is the core that they"ll be going with for the foreseeable future
They definitely have our number, but again, we're missing our no. 1 center and the best defenseman in the league and have a ton of first and second year players eating up big minutes. Its going to take some patience. The goal is to win a cup.
jasonleaffan
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aha. Leafs are spending to next years cap with tons of players that are gonna be UFA/RFA looking for a raise.
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It's more Karlsson than Spezza against the Leafs. Since Heatley's departure, Spezza's stats are pretty poor against the Leafs.
Leafs have 12 guys signed for 45 M, that leaves over 19 M to fill out the remaining 10 spots with Kadri and Bozak looking for big raises. Team is most likely going to look very similar next year.
jasonleaffan
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Spezza needs help up front def. To easy to key in on one guy for opposing teams, kinda like how Lupul and Kadri to a lesser extent are opening it up for Kessel
You can say that by just looking at points.
But it also opens up a lot more offensively. Suddenly, Turris and Alfredsson aren't drawing top lines. He's a focus point on shutting down our offensive which allows other lines to step up against weaker competition.
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They will be in the market for another dman this summer I guess. What's the FA crop look like this year? I'm too lazy to look atm.
GreekLeafer
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Leafs fan coming in peace. You just named 3 guys having career point scoring paces. Lupul has 10 goals in his last 11. Kessel is 7th in scoring. Kadri would have probably run away with the Calder if he was eligible.
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